As violence returns to '90s level, so does response from Black leadership, Oakland NAACP asks city to get tougher on crime/* Mayor & DA recalled

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Nothing he is saying is confusing. He is saying cops started a PR campaign of fear in the wake of George Floyd to eliminate accountability measures and people get flooded with stories of crime to raise their fears and then once whatever police accountability measure fails or police funding is increased, these stories disappear. In fact, violence crime is actually down this year but still above 2019 levels (pre-pandemic), which was basically record lows.

If i score 30 points per game in 2020 and 2023 I “only”score 28 points per game, its still high right?
 

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Until they address the poverty, none of this will matter, and the shyt will continue.

Carjacking someone so you can use their vehicle to joyride, commit armed robberies, and shoot other people is what constitutes as poverty? Nice :obama:

Some of y’all are out of touch with reality

Poor people who are really committing crimes to survive are usually doing non violent shyt. They just want to eat and have a place to live.
They’re not hurting anyone unless they feel they have no choice.

A lot of the people committing these violent crimes (especially the young ones) are literally using the money to buy designer clothes and other unimportant material shyt. They want a high end lifestyle that they can only afford by committing crimes and they’re gonna get what they want by any means.

Poverty has to be addressed, but the people that actually live in these areas want a more immediate fix. Unfortunately there is no immediate fix.

what does going into a Gucci Store and stealing items have anything to do with Poverty? :mjpls:

Once the culture becomes about illegal flash, and that's what they see, of course they will imitate. If magically we could go back to the 70s model where random guy x could get a job right out of high school and retire in 30 years with a home, cars and family taken care of, make it available to everyone, crime would be all but eradicated in a generation, maybe two. People who have nothing to lose do fukked up shyt, and kids learn watching what adults do. These are the children and grandchildren of the Crack Era, Reaganomics, the loss of the middle class.

Materialism, poverty and crime go hand in hand.

Why not? It’s a super valid point

Materialism now is waaaay worse (from a money standpoint) than it was 15-20 years ago

What I have heard is that while more crime happens in poorer areas, social inequality seems more of a driver for crime than just being poor. Blacks down in the rural South are poorer than northern city Blacks but crime rates tend to be much lower.

Inequality drives crime driven by materialism and status aspirations, so this is why you see poor people committing crime but for seemingly frivolous or stunting type stuff. That doesn't make it right or ok but helps explain the contradiction. Also weak family and social structure create a vacuum for alternate hierarchies and organization (gangs).

Everybody is fed and sheltered so immediate survival needs don't drive crime much in the US but poverty overlaid with inequality and generational stagnation can drive it. That's also probably why poor first generation immigrants have low crime rates but second or third Gen are much higher.

I have zero problem locking up criminals, especially violent ones but we had this debate 30 years ago and wasted a generation not solving any underlying cause. I hope we try to have more foresight this time.
 

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In for the solutions.

What Government already does in terms of policing - dealing with crime during/after the fact
  • More military grade equipment
  • More cops in general.
  • More "training"
  • More overtime
  • Stop and Frisk/Broken Window Policing
  • Predictive/Statistical Policing - "This is where the crime is, so let's put officers there" - arrests go up, and crime goes down. This was a thing even before computers and AI, and it's only gotten more comprehensive with facial ID, networking of law enforcement agencies, license plate tracking, DNA databases....ad infinitum. This is ONLY going to get worse.

What The Gov (Fed/State/County/City/Local) does to Prevent Crime
  • Public School/Education
  • Public Rec Centers/Pools/Parks
  • Welfare/Food Stamps
  • Public Service Announcements that explain the law and try to deter people from making the wrong decisions
  • More visible cops
Additional things government can do

1) Precision Intervention - That's just what I call it, but it's got other names. I got a homeboy that does this. Something might pop off in the hood, folks in the neighborhood get at him, and he steps in and tries to help. He gets city money to do this. These type of community intervention programs exist all over the country. I think they actually got started in Chicago..... In terms of effectiveness, this stuff is hard to quantify and put into a nice chart. But scaling up these types of programs, but also digging down to the various neighborhoods is something that could be done.

The thing is, this type of intervention only works when the intervenor knows what's going on, knows the parties, and can get involved.

There are a ton of violent crimes that this could never address
  • Child Abuse
  • Domestic Violence
  • Crimes of Opportunity
2) Summer Job programs for students

DC has one. It's hard to know how effective it is when you've got juveniles still wildin.

3) Extend the School Year

Again a lot of the kids out there carjacking wasn't tryna to go to school during the year, much less the summer.
The city could, in theory, identify "at-risk" youth and try to hit them with targeted services - but it's always a small percentage of kids that are just not reachable. They can't be convinced or influenced, they have to change.

And that's the problem that city officials, school admins, cops, preachers, community advocates - they don't want to "write" any of these kids off.

But a lot of the community fails to face the reality that some of these kids just want to do some messed up stuff, even after the parent in the home, extended family, the schools, and the Feds say not to.

Having said that, not all of these crimes are by juveniles. I think most of them aren't, but I don't have the Oakland/CA/National stats in front of me.

There are grown folks committing violent acts against one another, on partners, and on children.

Not all of them are destitute and homeless.

If we look at white burbs, a lot of domestic violence goes unreported.
Incest, molestation, abuse - under reported.
Nonconsenual - under reported.
Drug abuse/OD's - handled with insurance and private clinics.

In terms of white on white violence, that's more about concentration than anything. But plenty of them Biden Voting NPR listening people will pull a gun out when you cut them off on the freeway. We've seen plenty of video evidence of ostensibly rich white people engaging in all types of violence, on themselves, and on us.

I say this because a lot of white violence is 1) covert, 2) by proxy. White people know that Black Death is 3 #'s away, 9-1-1.

And that's the middle and upper class whites.
If cats don't think Cletus n'nem ain't shooting each other in Eastern Kentucky...That type of stuff do happen in a small town.

The Left says more money, address poverty.
The Right says more cops and put these folks under the jail.

People have to accept that crime is a NATURAL part of life.

Some of these people are not gonna live by rules,.
Some of them want to hurt others.

And it's not out of their control. It's not because they were abused as kids or they didn't have money.

Some choose violence.
 

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Instead of making stuff up, do like I said and go to the site, and show me the tons of jobs that pay enough to live comfortably in Oakland that regular brehs just refuse to take. Here, I'll do the first two steps for you.


Not sure why you posting Indeed links...

I was talking about municipal jobs which are almost a sure-shot to the middle class. Oakland and most cities across America have shortages there especially post-pandemic. I can look it up or I can simply look at the letter in the OP which states that there is a severe shortage in 911 dispatchers and the city is said to be short at least 500 police officers. There is a shortage of workers in the port and military defense industries which historically has been one of Oakland's strongest employers and is also mentioned in the letter. There is also a shortage of teachers and assorted school staff degreed and non-degreed including paraprofessionals, counselors, and school aides. Not being able to fill municipal jobs means a large portion of the city has checked out and these are the jobs that keep a city functioning it has a huge effect. Don't tell me there aren't good jobs or gainful employment when municipal jobs aren't even close to filled.
 
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Until they address the poverty, none of this will matter, and the shyt will continue.


If businesses are forced to close because shoplifting up to $950 is a desk appearance ticket doesn't that cause more poverty?

I'm not no damn bootlicking republican, but there needs to be some type of order for local economies to survive.

Most people in poverty don't commit crimes. And most people committing crimes in Oakland aren't hungry for a loaf of bread. People are getting away with shyt because there aren't consequences.
 
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I mean it didn’t work the first time, not sure what it’s gonna do now besides fck up a whole lotta homes :patrice:
 
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What I have heard is that while more crime happens in poorer areas, social inequality seems more of a driver for crime than just being poor. Blacks down in the rural South are poorer than northern city Blacks but crime rates tend to be much lower.

Inequality drives crime driven by materialism and status aspirations, so this is why you see poor people committing crime but for seemingly frivolous or stunting type stuff. That doesn't make it right or ok but helps explain the contradiction. Also weak family and social structure create a vacuum for alternate hierarchies and organization (gangs).

Everybody is fed and sheltered so immediate survival needs don't drive crime much in the US but poverty overlaid with inequality and generational stagnation can drive it. That's also probably why poor first generation immigrants have low crime rates but second or third Gen are much higher.

I have zero problem locking up criminals, especially violent ones but we had this debate 30 years ago and wasted a generation not solving any underlying cause. I hope we try to have more foresight this time.
Everyone is fed and sheltered in America????? :heh:

Are you talking about a European country because we have half a million homeless people and 34 million people including 9 children people suffer from food insecurity in America

 
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Morality is a mental construct not a tangible piece of reality. A law abiding citizen that doesn't bother anyone can be of low moral character and a piece of shyt.
low morals is literally just a judgement you're making not a cause or an effect of an actual crime.

sounds corny but It's about law and order. not law and morals, Obeying the law is not meant to make you a good person. just to bring about order.
Exactly, I agree…. So law and order is the solution to this problem?
 
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