As violence returns to '90s level, so does response from Black leadership, Oakland NAACP asks city to get tougher on crime/* Mayor & DA recalled

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I'm going to leave the thread because dudes are going to go off how they feel vs real life data. Anyway ask yourself why previous crime bills not only put innocent black people in jail but left alot of households fatherless to continue the cycle :comeon:
So what do you want? At this point we have the exact opposite of a “police state” and law and order in Cali? So do you want it to be lighter on crime? What’s the deal?
 

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That’s what jumped out to me. Why the hell would the NAACP tell non-blacks that “speaking out against crime isn’t racist” unless the NAACP assumes most of the crimes and attacks on every race are done by black ppl. Very weird and passive stance by and older organization. As if Oakland doesn’t have Hispanic and Asian gangs.
You live in Oakland?
 

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Cant wait for the future documentaries and articles stating how the future crime bill did more harm than good to the community like last time.
can’t wait for the future documentary about the “gang wars” of Oakland and terror that black residents deal with daily, there. Oh wait those exists.
 

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Until they address the poverty, none of this will matter, and the shyt will continue.
I knew one of the first posts in here would be a damn excuse of some sort. Yeah, poverty is sure making these nikkas shoot each other at an astronomical rate. Once they shoot somebody (never robbing them or anything) they become rich and never have to worry about poverty again, right? They are killing to get food, right? Shooting each other to pay rent/mortgage, huh? Shooting every single got damn day simply because they are broke?

STOP IT WITH THIS BULLshyt ASS EXCUSE

Want to get out of poverty? You know that phone that’s in EVERYBODY’S hand 24/7 (even those in poverty)? That phone has every resource ever needed to learn anything we want, AT ALL TIMES. Funny how nikkas can work social media in and out but still can’t figure out how to use that same phone to learn a skill, which would get them out of poverty. Hell, fukk learning; they can figure out how to post bullshyt all day but can’t figure out how to monetize the shyt?
 
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What's the point of discussing anything with people who simply refuse to accept facts? Crime is down this year. That's a fact. Does this mean crime is not an issue? No of course not. But to pretend like we're in a crime wave right now is to admit you're watching right wing bullshyt on social media, which is scaring you like it scares the 50 year old white people who that shyt is aimed at.

I've got no issue with more police presence, locking people up for violent crimes (including robbery), increasing bail for violent offenders (including robbery, again) etc. Most normal people in this country agree with those things, including most black people. But let's not pretend like the country is embroiled in a crime wave.
 

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What's the point of discussing anything with people who simply refuse to accept facts? Crime is down this year. That's a fact. Does this mean crime is not an issue? No of course not. But to pretend like we're in a crime wave right now is to admit you're watching right wing bullshyt on social media, which is scaring you like it scares the 50 year old white people who that shyt is aimed at.
You should take your own advice and actually look up the statistics in Oakland which factually state that crime is not down unless your only criteria for crime is murders everything else is up significantly.

Murders tend to mostly target those living that lifestyle. The other crimes tends to target innocent civilians.

I guess it won’t register until y’all are the ones victimized.
 
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Not sure why you posting Indeed links...

I was talking about municipal jobs which are almost a sure-shot to the middle class. Oakland and most cities across America have shortages there especially post-pandemic. I can look it up or I can simply look at the letter in the OP which states that there is a severe shortage in 911 dispatchers and the city is said to be short at least 500 police officers. There is a shortage of workers in the port and military defense industries which historically has been one of Oakland's strongest employers and is also mentioned in the letter. There is also a shortage of teachers and assorted school staff degreed and non-degreed including paraprofessionals, counselors, and school aides. Not being able to fill municipal jobs means a large portion of the city has checked out and these are the jobs that keep a city functioning it has a huge effect. Don't tell me there aren't good jobs or gainful employment when municipal jobs aren't even close to filled.
Because you and that other guy I quoted are talking as if there are good jobs just waiting around, and Oakland brehs re just lazy and don't want to work. I'm trying to see ALL these great jobs they qualify for that they ignore to be bums, intead of just talking.
I knew one of the first posts in here would be a damn excuse of some sort. Yeah, poverty is sure making these nikkas shoot each other at an astronomical rate. Once they shoot somebody (never robbing them or anything) they become rich and never have to worry about poverty again, right? They are killing to get food, right? Shooting each other to pay rent/mortgage, huh? Shooting every single got damn day simply because they are broke?

STOP IT WITH THIS BULLshyt ASS EXCUSE

Want to get out of poverty? You know that phone that’s in EVERYBODY’S hand 24/7 (even those in poverty)? That phone has every resource ever needed to learn anything we want, AT ALL TIMES. Funny how nikkas can work social media in and out but still can’t figure out how to use that same phone to learn a skill, which would get them out of poverty. Hell, fukk learning; they can figure out how to post bullshyt all day but can’t figure out how to monetize the shyt?
General poverty creates the environment. It's not ALL of it, but, again, productive people with shyt to lose 99/100 don't do crime and goofy shyt like that. You have a point in your last paragraph, but you have to think, how many Black men are making money on SM, and how many more will be allowed (yes, ALLOWED) to make that type of legit money, along with the crazy odds one will make life changing money on these platforms. There is a reason most of the successful brehs on Youtube are c00ns who buck their eyes and make those corny faces on the thumbnails, while talentless, terrible cacs make exponentioally more money and are boosted by the platform.
 
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Because you and that other guy I quoted are talking as if there are good jobs just waiting around, and Oakland brehs re just lazy and don't want to work. I'm trying to see ALL these great jobs they qualify for that they ignore to be bums, intead of just talking.
Municipal jobs are good jobs and a sure shot to the middle class on top of being vital for the function of a city.

There is a shortage of 911 dispatchers for fire, ambulance, police in the city. The wait times for an answer and for a unit to arrive are abnormally long it is highlighted in the letter in the OP...

This job pays $100-111K annually starting with lots of potential OT and all you need is a HS diploma and the ability to type 35 words per minute and undergo the training with a 2 year commitment.

This is one of the many municipal jobs available and if you ask me this is better than laboring at some car plant like yesteryear. I don't know what kind of "good jobs" you're talking about.
 

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Municipal jobs are good jobs and a sure shot to the middle class on top of being vital for the function of a city.

There is a shortage of 911 dispatchers for fire, ambulance, police in the city. The wait times for an answer and for a unit to arrive are abnormally long it is highlighted in the letter in the OP...

This job pays $100-111K annually with lots of potential OT and all you need is a HS diploma and the ability to type 35 words per minute and undergo the training.

This is one of the many municipal jobs available and if you ask me this is better than laboring at some car plant like yesteryear. I don't know what kind of "good jobs" you're talking about.
Cool. Still requires a diploma and typing, which many poor Blacks don't have, sadly. Those jobs I was referring to just required to to be healthy enough to do them. My grandfather (Rest In Power) had a 5th grade education, served in the Korean War, came home, got a job at Bethlehem Steel, took care of my grandmother who barely ever worked and their 5 children, BUILT a house, until he retired with a pension. That is all but impossible now. Expecting poor people in shyt environments and shyt schools to have these skills is a tad unrealistic.
 

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can’t wait for the future documentary about the “gang wars” of Oakland and terror that black residents deal with daily, there. Oh wait those exists.
So do the docs on how black people fair in the justice system. Which makes threads like this funny. We have evidence of what can happen if we give cops/system even more power, yet you got some here wanting to repeat 94 again.:why:
 
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Cool. Still requires a diploma and typing, which many poor Blacks don't have, sadly. Those jobs I was referring to just required to to be healthy enough to do them. My grandfather (Rest In Power) had a 5th grade education, served in the Korean War, came home, got a job at Bethlehem Steel, took care of my grandmother who barely ever worked and their 5 children, BUILT a house, until he retired with a pension. That is all but impossible now. Expecting poor people in shyt environments and shyt schools to have these skills is a tad unrealistic.
Who’s job is it to make sure kids study, pay attention, and do well in school? Who’s job is it to make sure kids know they need to make something of themselves? I learned how to type in 9th grade. We could choose two electives. I chose Keyboarding, because I knew typing was a necessary skill in life. Sophomore year, I did Word Processing, and learned Word, Excel, and PowerPoint.
 
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So do the docs on how black people fair in the justice system. Which makes threads like this funny. We have evidence of what can happen if we give cops/system even more power, yet you got some here wanting to repeat 94 again.:why:
It’s not that hard to stay out of trouble. It really isn’t. I’m not in favor of stop and frisk, or cops harassing brehs just standing around. But let’s be honest, a lot of those brehs aren’t being productive, and that is a major source of their failure.
 

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For those who asked questions about SOLUTIONS. Let's examine what the current public safety reality is. There was a public safety town hall held in Oakland last week.
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Alameda County District Attorney and Oakland Police Dept. Captain Clay Burch were there to answer questions.

Below is an article about the meeting, as well as the full two hour video. The specific facts on the ground about the public safety climate are laid out by the residents and the law enforcement leaders of that area. This public safety reality is what prompted the NAACP letter in OP.


Timestamp

2- 29 minute remarks from the DA Price about the policies of her office
29:15 host asks question about a recent high profile crime/arrest
29:45 Capt. Burch addresses the question and Q&A and audience comments start



 
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Who’s job is it to make sure kids study, pay attention, and do well in school? Who’s job is it to make sure kids know they need to make something of themselves? I learned how to type in 9th grade. We could choose two electives. I chose Keyboarding, because I knew typing was a necessary skill in life. Sophomore year, I did Word Processing, and learned Word, Excel, and PowerPoint.
You had insight, guidance or both. Expecting people to magically turn around and start being about shyt is not realistic. nikkas are out here lost. The masses will need shepherding to do a 180. It doesn't happen by itself. 400 years of destructive "training" requires intervention at several levels to reverse.
 

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Not sure why you posting Indeed links...

I was talking about municipal jobs which are almost a sure-shot to the middle class. Oakland and most cities across America have shortages there especially post-pandemic. I can look it up or I can simply look at the letter in the OP which states that there is a severe shortage in 911 dispatchers and the city is said to be short at least 500 police officers. There is a shortage of workers in the port and military defense industries which historically has been one of Oakland's strongest employers and is also mentioned in the letter. There is also a shortage of teachers and assorted school staff degreed and non-degreed including paraprofessionals, counselors, and school aides. Not being able to fill municipal jobs means a large portion of the city has checked out and these are the jobs that keep a city functioning it has a huge effect. Don't tell me there aren't good jobs or gainful employment when municipal jobs aren't even close to filled.
One thing Ill counter with is, even IF someone can get a municipal job in the bay area that pays something lie 80k starting salary, they run into another problem which is affordable housing.

The Bay is a nightmare as far as finding something livable, under 2.5k a month that puts you close to Oakland. The West Coast has and WILL NEVER catch up to the East Coast in terms of affordable solutions for Working Class people in terms of housing projects and public transport. The mountains, ocean, exponential population increases, earthquakes, NIMBY-ism, and overall racism have historically been huge hurdles in making the West Coast more comfortable for poor people (I live in Seattle and the same reasons apply and more, the wealth gap may be even worse here).

Youre from NYC right? the Tri-State area has more negotiable geography and most importantly around 200+ years of dealing with vast numbers of immigrants pouring in and being in closer proximity to the cradle of the Nation meant resources could easily be divvied out. All that matters to this day in terms of how people respond to poverty.
 
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