As of this week Jay-Z has sold 29,106,000 albums in the USA. Passing 2Pac, he is 2nd only to eminem

[ISO]

Regional? Nikka is comparing a dead artist with another that justifiable. Pac's album sales are not inflated becuse his double disk albums still meet the requirement to go diamond. And Pacs Aeom and 7 day theory are not up to date for almost 20 years now. Aeom has been 9x plat since 99'. In reality Hov hasnt passed Pac. And Pac's work is well done so cut that nonsense..

Comparing Big L to Pac is justifiable really? Comparing Pac a rap superstar to L a guy who was talented AF but couldn't go gold while alive is justifiable?

Yeah Pac is 8x Diamond now since '99 , as of 2011 All Eyez On Me has sold a bit under 6 million copies at best it's 2x Diamond with the double disc rules and 6x Platinum under regular rules.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

Don't compare a regional acts like Big L and Mac Dre to Pac stop it. Pac also had two double albums that eventually went diamond (Greatest Hits and All Eyez On Me), double CD's counts as two if 5 million people it counts as if 10 million people bought the album so Pac's numbers are inflated a bit.
2Pac's product wasn't so good, it wasn't a step above every other rapper like Pac stans make it seem. Several MC's best can go toe to toe with Pac's best CD's.

This is why I have been typing "THIS IS EXACTLY MY POINT" to people making similar replies as yours...You are actually saying everything that support why 2pac is GOAT, and you don't even know it...

(1) You typed, "Don't compare a regional acts like Big L and Mac Dre to Pac stop it"...Translation, 2Pac is a GLOBAL LEGEND...Proving exactly why 2Pac is GREAT...So, you are essentially making a case for 2Pac's greatnest, but I don't think you are aware of it...

(2) The stuff about double albums and blah blah doesn't interest me...Count those albums as 1 if you want, and 2Pac is still Top 5 selling rap artist, and he managed to do it in 5 years...

Think about this, Kanye West been active for 10 years...Think about this, Nas been active for 20 years, 4 times longer than 2Pac, are his albums sales even twice as many as 2Pac's, put that in perspective...

(3) Your final point doesn't even make sense in this discussion, but it still supports why 2Pac is great, you can't say that 2Pac's product "wasn't so good" and then get mad at him because he sold a ton of post-death albums...

You double dipping friend...

a. If 2Pac's product is not "so good" then his albums would NOT be selling after he died, look at Biggie, Big L and Mac Dre, they ain't significantly selling after death, so what makes 2Pac different...

b. If it takes Jay Z, the most recognizable rapper on the planet, this long to catch-up to 2Pac, then is that NOT a sign of 2Pac's superior product...

c. The fact that 2Pac sold a significant amount of albums even after dying proves that he has legacy, and the only way to build a legacy in any profession is to have a product that stands the test of time...Period.​

(4) You 2Pac haters are UNDERESTIMATING the power of self-promotion and marketing...

 

[28 Gramz]

AEOM was 4x platinum before he died

 

[Youngblood Priest]

My god the hate. Man, it don't really matter how much jay sell. The truth is Pac has real fans. Mfers come with all that shyt. He was a fake thug. He was a ballerina. He was soft. Now the only point I'm going to use on how much A REAL MFER HE WAS, is that he went at street nikkaz. Real killers, on record. Hatian jack, Jimmy henchman were basically killers that all of hip hop feared. Except Pac. Say what you want, but that's a real nikka. I don't hate jay, but he will never be what Pac is. Never. The nikka cared. fukk the rapping. And yea Pac had a sick flow. For ppl to say he couldn't rap just goes to show the hate. So jigga could sell billions and it still will not get him on Pac level. Unlike a lot of Pac fans, I been listening to dude from day one. Yall nikkaz tripping.

 

[Nomad1]

Comparing Big L to Pac is justifiable really? Comparing Pac a rap superstar to L a guy who was talented AF but couldn't go gold while alive is justifiable?

Yeah Pac is 8x Diamond now since '99 , as of 2011 All Eyez On Me has sold a bit under 6 million copies at best it's 2x Diamond with the double disc rules and 6x Platinum under regular rules.

You nikkas keep moving the goal posts. So comparing Pac with living artists is fair? Lmao foh its a logical comparison so cry me a river.
And Aeom was 5x plat when he was alive and 9x plat in 99'. Look it up nikka dont try to rewrite facts clueless fukk. DR fukked up the paperwork for Aeom and 7 day theory thats why its not properly certified.

 

[ISO]

You nikkas keep moving the goal posts. So comparing Pac with living artists is fair? Lmao foh its a logical comparison so cry me a river.
And Aeom was 5x plat when he was alive and 9x plat in 99'. Look it up nikka dont try to rewrite facts clueless fukk. DR fukked up the paperwork for Aeom and 7 day theory thats why its not properly certified.

Comparing Big L to fukking Tupac is fair? Big L a nikka that was local and sold less than 250,000 copies on his first album being compared to Tupac already a multi-Platinum rapper and movie star one of the most controversial rappers ever who was involved in the highest profile hip hop beef before dying. That's a fair comparison to you, I haven't even mentioned the fact that Pac's albums had marketing and promotion from Jive/Death Row/Interscope while L's were released on his independent Flamboyant Records. This is a fair comparison to you you have got to be kidding me.

I'm not rewriting facts nikka, your a clueless fukk and a stan. I'm stating facts and your shooting them down on some bullshyt. AEOM was 9x Plat in 1999 that doesn't mean flash forward to 2014 and that shyts 8x Diamond, like I said nikka as of 2011 the album had sold about 5.8 million copies under double disc rules it is at best 2x Diamond and under regular rules 6x Platinum.

 

[Jone2three45]

So? Tupac >>> Eminem >> Jay z

 

[nineteeneightysix]

Nas and tupac are not the same rapper. Idk where that came from. He could have easily ended up like Nelly or 50.
Tupac already had a slump, until me against the world came out.
Tupac on drill beats is something I'm not eager to hear.
I hope you're not trying to say Pac had better flow than jay-z.

(1) Nas has been in the game 20 years...4 times longer than 2Pac, but what are his numbers...? The point is to give you haters perspective on how much 2Pac was able to accomplish in 5 years...
2Pac was so great that we talk about his 5 years in the game as if they were a lifetime...

(2) How the hell would 2Pac end up like 50 and Nelly, after producing an album like Makaveli...? 50 Cent was done as soon as he released GRODT...I have said this numerous times...I hated that album...

2Pac was making moves with the Boot Camp guys, he had a HEAVY influence on the South...Dude was on a come up...

But I concede that maybe all that could have failed, however, I think the probability was more to 2Pac's favour than not...

(3) Tupac already had a slump, until me against the world came out...This statement doesn't even make sense considering that

a. 2pacalypse Now is not considered 2Pac's best work by the majority of the fan base...
b. Most people think 2Pac imporved with Strictly For
c. Then we were blessed with MATW, ALL EYES ON ME, and Makaveli in the space of 18 months ...Name one rapper to release arguably 3 classics in 18 months...Your statement is LUDICROUS...​

(4) The point is, 2Pac was most likely going to survive any local changes in the rap game, because dude was a global superstar...He was way beyond hip hop in America...In South Africa, the blacks and Coloreds WORSHIPPED son...I lived it...

(5) In my opinion, 2Pac is better than Jay Z in every facet of hip hop...I enjoy Jay Z for his singles, but he is too soft and superficial (in my opinion) for my liking...

 

[Pimp]

Pac has about 15 million extra due to double albums imagine if Em had his 3 biggest selling albums being double albums . We're talking 60-70s rock legend numbers.

Double albums were priced as 2 cds so you don't know what em would do if his cds were double the price.. SMH at people thinking pulling off a double cd is easy. Jay Z tried and failed.

Also outselling an artist that has been dead for 18 years really aint saying much.

 

[Jone2three45]

Biggie, Freaky Tah, Big Pun, Big L, Mac Dre, and many more were shot and died or just died...

What do their album sales look like...?

That's what the fukk I'm saying yo

 

[Jone2three45]

2pac's impact on hiphop will never be rivaled thou

Jay-Z materialistic ass has conquered money, cash, cars and hoes but cannot conquer a ghost.

Death does not make one of Tupac's stature more popular kids, it only makes them immortal

That's my God of War

 

[nineteeneightysix]

That's what the fukk I'm saying yo

The hate is blinding some of these posters though...

 

[MiC]

Let's look at some FACTS here

1) As of july 2013 (which more or less will be the same now in early 2014), pac's US sales stand at 29,010,000
Link: http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/chart-watch/week-ending-july-14-2013-albums-jay-z-030009697.html

2) As of Dec 2004 Pac had sold 24.4 million in the USA
18 million of that came after his death
Link: http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/65215/tupacs-game-haunts-album-chart-at-no-1

That means Pac only sold 6.4 million albums in the USA before death and the other 22.6 million came after his death

 

[Nomad1]

Comparing Big L to fukking Tupac is fair? Big L a nikka that was local and sold less than 250,000 copies on his first album being compared to Tupac already a multi-Platinum rapper and movie star one of the most controversial rappers ever who was involved in the highest profile hip hop beef before dying. That's a fair comparison to you, I haven't even mentioned the fact that Pac's albums had marketing and promotion from Jive/Death Row/Interscope while L's were released on his independent Flamboyant Records. This is a fair comparison to you you have got to be kidding me.

I'm not rewriting facts nikka, your a clueless fukk and a stan. I'm stating facts and your shooting them down on some bullshyt. AEOM was 9x Plat in 1999 that doesn't mean flash forward to 2014 and that shyts 8x Diamond, like I said nikka as of 2011 the album had sold about 5.8 million copies under double disc rules it is at best 2x Diamond and under regular rules 6x Platinum.

Get your stan rhetoric outta here. Every Pac thread you use that on anyone who refuses to believe or acknowledge your bullshyt. Im comparing a dead artist with another. Pac had a bi-coastal feud for a fukking year. Blame big l for not hussling enough before he got murked.
As for Aeom all i fukking said was it wasn't certified since 99' same with 7 day theory. Im not getting numbers outta my ass like you. Pac could possibly be beating Jayz in a narrow margin. Stating facts dont make me a stan you clueless nikka.

 

[JayBaldacci]

(1) Nas has been in the game 20 years...4 times longer than 2Pac, but what are his numbers...? The point is to give you haters perspective on how much 2Pac was able to accomplish in 5 years...
2Pac was so great that we talk about his 5 years in the game as if they were a lifetime...

(2) How the hell would 2Pac end up like 50 and Nelly, after producing an album like Makaveli...? 50 Cent was done as soon as he released GRODT...I have said this numerous times...I hated that album...

2Pac was making moves with the Boot Camp guys, he had a HEAVY influence on the South...Dude was on a come up...

But I concede that maybe all that could have failed, however, I think the probability was more to 2Pac's favour than not...

(3) Tupac already had a slump, until me against the world came out...This statement doesn't even make sense considering that

a. 2pacalypse Now is not considered 2Pac's best work by the majority of the fan base...
b. Most people think 2Pac imporved with Strictly For
c. Then we were blessed with MATW, ALL EYES ON ME, and Makaveli in the space of 18 months ...Name one rapper to release arguably 3 classics in 18 months...Your statement is LUDICROUS...​

(4) The point is, 2Pac was most likely going to survive any local changes in the rap game, because dude was a global superstar...He was way beyond hip hop in America...In South Africa, the blacks and Coloreds WORSHIPPED son...I lived it...

(5) In my opinion, 2Pac is better than Jay Z in every facet of hip hop...I enjoy Jay Z for his singles, but he is too soft and superficial (in my opinion) for my liking...

Tupac had better content then jay, that's about it.

Again, with Nas, where does he come in to this? That's like saying "if nas was involved in a coastal beef boosted by the media and died at the height of his career, he would have out sold tupac"

There is no way validate this claim. All that typing and still not an answer to my original Q.