As Millennials Near 40, They’re Approaching Family Life Differently Than Previous Generations

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You're talking about the Bay Area. You realize to most of the US the Bay Area might as well be Never Never Land?

I added it on as an edit, but marriage has become a class issue, and all your points are wonderful for a high earning class.

But that's a growing minority in the US.

Most people are entering a workforce with shrinking opportunities and no skills. Those benefits you're talking about may as well be Dutch. The people in the places you're talking about, who can benefit from the things you're talking about are getting married.

It's the majority, everyone else, who just can't afford it.

They're not buying houses by themselves family. They're not buying houses, period.

I'm not talking about people with assets protecting them.

I'm talking about the fact that people in the United States don't have shyt to protect, and even fewer will next year.
Things rings even more true for the lower class. The difference between an eviction or living on the wrong side of town or ability to live with one other person as opposed to four is a second job. Your hours got cut, well at least there is someone else working in your house or that you can turn to for support. A lot of working class people elevated, or stabilized, their situation in the past simply by getting married.

There is absolutely no socioeconomic class of people, except maybe millionaires who marry down (IG models) who aren’t better off by having a partnership with another employed person.

even the couple working at Walmart who still has to live together at one of their parent’s house, together, at least they might be able to afford a reliable car to get to work as opposed to having to take the bus or driving a beater as a single person...partnering works
 
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You're talking about the Bay Area. You realize to most of the US the Bay Area might as well be Never Never Land?

I added it on as an edit, but marriage has become a class issue, and all your points are wonderful for a high earning class.

But that's a growing minority in the US.

Most people are entering a workforce with shrinking opportunities and no skills. Those benefits you're talking about may as well be Dutch. The people in the places you're talking about, who can benefit from the things you're talking about are getting married.

It's the majority, everyone else, who just can't afford it.

They're not buying houses by themselves family. They're not buying houses, period.

I'm not talking about people with assets protecting them.

I'm talking about the fact that people in the United States don't have shyt to protect, and even fewer will next year.

The benefits of marriage are still present for poor and working class folks, even if one could argue that the upside ceiling is not as high as it for college educated people. I think it is best to separate marriage vs marriage with 2 kids and a house. You can have a DINK situation and rent (and save on rent) while saving until you can change your situation. If the situation doesn't change long term or the biological clock looms large then a couple will then have to come to grips with that, but poor and working class folks having to do things on a different time scale in and by itself doesn't justify the "economic" rationale for not getting married.
 

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I never really planned on getting married or having kids or at least until I was older than I am now. I got married in my late twenties and thing fell into place. Raising kids in the city will be difficult but I have a few ideas that I think can work but I'm pretty fortunate.

Life in America is pretty backwards and has been particularly unkind to our generation it shouldn't come a surprise our numbers very so much from other generations given the social and economic shifts in our country.
 

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The benefits of marriage are still present for poor and working class folks, even if one could argue that the upside ceiling is not as high as it for college educated people. I think it is best to separate marriage vs marriage with 2 kids and a house. You can have a DINK situation and rent (and save on rent) while saving until you can change your situation. If the situation doesn't change long term or the biological clock looms large then a couple will then have to come to grips with that, but poor and working class folks having to do things on a different time scale in and by itself doesn't justify the "economic" rationale for not getting married.

Sure, but that shouldn't be a requirement for prospering in the US. There is a moral question about whether that should be the case. If anything, it's a good set up against black people, right? Historically, beating black people up about marriage is kind of silly considering that even when married generations of black people got screwed no matter what. That's probably what encourages people to go it their way individually. If marriage somehow made up for generations of lost wealth, a multi-generational propaganda war against the black mind and body, or the current psychological mess that we inherit, every black person would be married and happy as fukk.

When black people separate or divorce, you're doubly punishing them economically and then psychologically. That's fukked up. A white person can get divorced many times, cheat on their spouses, and still get rich and be looked up to? Donald Trump, Newt Gingrich, etc.

Also, imo, black people have to deal with a lot of psychological issues first...I hate to say it, but it's not exactly always conducive to healthy marriages. A lot of people should get some therapy before they get married.
 

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Yeah the economic downside risks cats associate with marriage is weird to me. It's arguably the only part of the American Dream narrative that actually holds up well when you look at it from both a subjective romantic perspective and an objective economic perspective.

To me that's more of an issue with white households (mainly due to their base nature) and their over emphasis and reliance on "the red pill" is skewing the views on marriage a lot of black men are starting to have. Way I see it, it's billions of women on this planet and hunred million plus women in this country alone, there's always gonna be a woman to back you up in your corner and help you out but life still gonna happen and the best thing you can do is always have the next move in the back of your head.
 

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Y’all a talking about needing to stack paper before marriage do know couples are better off than single people? I don’t get why you can’t stack and be married to someone doing the same. In no world is two incomes worse than one. We won’t even get into the tax advantages of marriage and household buying power
Depends on the relationship dynamic. Some women expect men to pay for everything. There was a big thread in tlr the other day about guys being taking to the cleaners by women they married because the women was stacking yet the guy was spending all his money.


Two incomes is cool, if people agree to stack, but what I’m against is me spending all my money to support someone. During pregnancy obviously I get it but otherwise heck no. I’m trying build wealth. I dealt with a woman in my last relationship, that never wanted to pay for a thing yet expected the world, and it left me bitter af afterwards.
 

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Depends on the relationship dynamic. Some women expect men to pay for everything. There was a big thread in tlr the other day about guys being taking to the cleaners by women they married because the women was stacking yet the guy was spending all his money.

That’s what I’m against. I dealt with that in my last relationship and it left me bitter af.

Couldn't be me

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Depends on the relationship dynamic. Some women expect men to pay for everything. There was a big thread in tlr the other day about guys being taking to the cleaners by women they married because the women was stacking yet the guy was spending all his money.


Two incomes is cool, if people agree to stack, but what I’m against is me spending all my money to support someone. During pregnancy obviously I get it but otherwise heck no. I’m trying build wealth. I dealt with a woman in my last relationship, that never wanted to pay for a thing yet expected the world, and it left me bitter af afterwards.
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Tbf it was taken from MarketWatch :hubie:

I paid for my wife’s M.A. and vacations. I suggested we save for a house, but she left me — and my in-laws told me to be a man



I’ve personally seen some people get burned in real life as well.

I’m just cautious more than anything.:hubie:
And I’ve seen women get burned. Happened to my girl, luckily she about her business and had him sign contracts for the tuition and car note she was paying. His wages are being garnished to pay her back as we speak :youngsabo:
 
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