As a group. Bone Thugs >>>>>>>Wu Tang Clan

[Billy Ocean]

When i hear both i feel like Bone was really more on some G shyt with the music and Wu on some off the wall raw rap shyt, if you just listen to what they actually saying.

They both were on G shyt. Bone were more traditionally gangster rap and Wu were more traditional East Coast reality rap shyt. Both had their fair share of guns, selling drugs, drug use, and regular hood shyt in their raps. Difference is...Wu got more creative with their rhymes cause they would incorporate movies, cartoons, video games...basically anything...in their rhymes. But they were as real as any nikkas. Matter of fact, the FBI got pages of confidential files based solely on WuTang gun running and gangbanging in Bone's state (Ohio).

 

[TheHomie]

Bruh. I've been to rock the bells a few times. Most of the fans are not black. I'm serious mane. Black folks in the bay don't really fukk with wu-tang. I'm talkin about "NYGGAZ" don't. Like we don't ride around blastin wu-tang in the car. Nyggaz in cali weren't on the block and in the streets bumpin wu-tang. Most wu-tang fans in northern cali are white or asian

This nikka speaks the truth

 

[Billy Ocean]

@ 0:34 seconds. I know u can hear the Bone binfluence
HYFR (Hell Ya fukking Right) (Explicit) - YouTube

He's rapping fast. Double time. I think we already established that that was done before Bone and after Bone. Would a Twista fan be out of line saying that that Drake verse was Twista influenced?

 

[Billy Ocean]

This nikka speaks the truth

Annnnnnddddddd...that means what? Doesn't mean nikkas didn't look at Wu as real nikkas and respect them. The whole Deathrow fukked with Wu.

Some of that shyt that ya'll nikkas was bumping out there would never be caught bumping out in NY. Doesn't mean that it's wack necessarily, or nikkas didn't respect ya'll gangsta, it just means thats not the vibe of the NYC hood. I don't see what you and @Ronnie Lott are getting to

 

[Big Skilly Films]

Just to make it clear I'm not a Wu Stan nor a bones hater I fake with both have they albums not i tunes but actual CDs I purchased and put money in both parties pockets but dudes in here making up dumb sh1t trying to change history and spread lies so salute to everyone who kept it Hiphop and didn't turn this into some beef thread

 

[mobbinfms]

so we gonna act like Bone didnt have "family mantra" in '94 with MO THUGS! And what the fukk kinda business savy did Wu invent that other motherfukkers like Master P, Cash Money, Bone Thugs, etc wasnt doing in that time period? And yes drake, ludicrous, and future in one way or another swagger jacked bone's style. Before bone what group was harmonizing in their raps and singing on their hooks like Future and Drake? how didn't Bone's double flow specifically Krayzie Bones flow not influence ludicrous? nikkas love to hate the originators of this shyt.. aint nobody in todays hip hop imitating boom bap wu tang rap

How do you know it did? Do you have a source for that claim? Has Luda said that?

Wu didn't invent business savvy in hip hop - but neither did Bone. Although you could argue that the Wu did the best job of exploiting the pre existing major label situation to their advantage by brokering a deal where they could all go to different labels for solos.

 

[TheHomie]

They both were on G shyt. Bone were more traditionally gangster rap and Wu were more traditional East Coast reality rap shyt. Both had their fair share of guns, selling drugs, drug use, and regular hood shyt in their raps. Difference is...Wu got more creative with their rhymes cause they would incorporate movies, cartoons, video games...basically anything...in their rhymes. But they were as real as any nikkas. Matter of fact, the FBI got pages of confidential files based solely on WuTang gun running and gangbanging in Bone's state (Ohio).

They all official with the hood shyt that not what im talkin about, just the mentality and vibe i feel is deeper. Unless we talkin about the RZA and the whole philosophy he has behind it, im just talkin about lyrics. That FBI shyt is tho I didnt realize Wu was so deep in it


And i never said these nikkas was fake of course they real nikka nobody in the booth should need to say that

 

[JuvenileHell]

@ 0:34 seconds. I know u can hear the Bone binfluence
HYFR (Hell Ya fukking Right) (Explicit) - YouTube

It more has to do with a person's overall style, or in this case rapping style. Drake just rapping fast for piece of HYFR doesn't suggest a Bone influence, you need more. Drake doesn't rap like Bone at all.

That's why I cited Gibbs. His overall style is more like Bone/Twista. I would more say Twista but I can see an argument for Bone. The way he flows, harmonizes, and delivers his rhymes are more similar to those guys.

Logic is the same, he raps really fast as well, and switches his flow up just like Gibbs and Twista do, but he isn't as good as they are.

See what I'm getting at? Drake isn't known for rapping double time staccato shyt at all. Now and then he speeds up, but his overall rapping style isn't influenced by Bone. I would quicker say Wayne because of the kind of punchlines that he uses.

 

[mobbinfms]

So Drake and Future trying to harmonize in their raps and sing on hooks isnt a direct influence from Bone Thugs? And lets not act like Bone did it WITHOUT autotune and sounded much better

Definitely not singing hooks.

Didn't Nas have that line about being the first to sing a hook like TJ Swann?

I don't hear a lot of harmonizing in either Drake or Future's music. But I don't really pay close attention to either - so I'll defer to YouTube clips you can post with references to where I should start listening.

 

[JuvenileHell]

How the fukk did Ludacris get in this discussion, lmao he's even a worse suggestion than Drake.

 

[mobbinfms]

This. Drake and Future are singing on records. They aren't harmonizing in double time. Where the fukk are these dudes getting this shyt?

Yeah but Drake is a rapper and Bone is a group of rappers - so obviously Drake is copying this whole "rap" thing from Bone.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

He's rapping fast. Double time. I think we already established that that was done before Bone and after Bone. Would a Twista fan be out of line saying that that Drake verse was Twista influenced?

I see your point. But I'm sure u know the difference in styles in twista rappin fast and bone rappin fast. The 2 styles are different. Bones style is more of a harminzing fast rappin compared 2 twista that just rapps fast. Early twista was on some da efx type shyt tho

 

[mobbinfms]

Wu as a group did not come before Master P...and the first Mo Thug affiliate Project dropped in 96' but they were on East 99 which came out '95.. The tight knit Mafioso style comes from No Limit and J Prince, not Wu Tang. And you gotta be one stupid nikka not to acknowledge all of the artists today that are trying to harmonize in their raps. Drake, Weezy, Kanye, Future, Nicki, Hell even Jay Z all at some point instituted harmonizing in their raps after Bone made it popular. And Joey Badass, Action Bronson, Roc Marciano, Jay Electronica aint buzzing on a national scale and arent relevent..

Master P was largely unknown in 1993. I would know growing up in the Bay. We got into him heavy when he dropped the West Coast Bad Boyz compilation. But that was 1994 I think. He jumped the shark when he went back to the NO.

You got an argument on tight knit with Rap A Lot - but the Wu is synonymous with the resurgence of mafioso in hip hop thanks to the Chef.

Jay harmonizing? What song you thinking of?

All the other artists are relevant but not nationally known. They are all MTV Jams buzzing at this point.

 

[mobbinfms]

Breh, why you so mad?

Bone style is rapping, melodically. Harmonizing. That's their style. You and that cac dude mentioned singing slowly in their raps. So what. That's not something that originated with Bone. Rappers were singing in their raps long before Bone. Most notably Slick Rick. Post a Bone song, where they are singing slowly, that came before The Great Adventures of Slick and I'll shut the fukk up.

This is just getting silly at this point. No doubt Bone and Wu are both influential. But dudes is trying to give Bone credit for every thing under the sun.

 

[DaveyDave]

He's rapping fast. Double time. I think we already established that that was done before Bone and after Bone. Would a Twista fan be out of line saying that that Drake verse was Twista influenced?

the flow is OFF like a muthafukka, i think Silkk The Shocker might havew been the biggest influence right there