Are Westcoast black people ripping off Mexican culture?

[kingofnyc]

this thread was hilarious .… and pathetic all in one

the fact that Mexicans …. want credit for shyt they had nothing to do with is insane

this is their culture …. they should stick with it, be proud of it & leave us alone

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Thanks for sharing. Every time someone bring up this topic, usually misinformation is spewed, especially from people who aren't from the area, city, state, etc.

Bottomline is that the dynamic between both ethnic groups isn't straight forward black & white. There is a lot of grey area and can be rather multilayered & complicated.

Lastly, you have a street element and a civilian element. Sometimes they intertwine and other times the are separate. Both, the dynamic between the two elements have to be noted, recognised and respected as being its own entity.

agreed....chicanos and blacks may have had two-way influence on some aspects of the street (underground/below the radar) element but the influence on a civilian level (overground/mainstream) is one-sided towards blacks influencing chicanos. The only time you'll see a Mexican influenced "black" person is if they hang/grew up around Mexicans whereas a Chicano can/may exude "black" influence even w/o actually being around "blacks" because of what they soaked in/up from popular culture.

 

[Commish]

agreed....chicanos and blacks may have had two-way influence on some aspects of the street (underground/below the radar) element but the influence on a civilian level (overground/mainstream) is one-sided towards blacks influencing chicanos. The only time you'll see a Mexican influenced "black" person is if they hang/grew up around Mexicans whereas a Chicano can/may exude "black" influence even w/o actually being around "blacks" because of what they soaked in/up from popular culture.

I look at it the way I see it. Today, I experienced a lesson I already knew when it comes to social interaction between Blacks and Latinos. As I type this response, I am at a dealership. One of the salesmen, who is Mexican, came up to me and started a conversation.

He commented on my kicks. My kicks were popular during the 80s and early 90s. Then he mentioned my sweatshirt (Gangstarr's Daily Operation album cover) and that segued into music. Basically, this man listened to the same music as me. He also used to be into kicks like me.

Point is that we may be from different cultures, but we both liked the Hip hop culture and was immersed into it back in the day. This was and probably still is common, but let some people tell it, this never happened.

Yes, some to many Latinos exclude Blacks from their social circle but the inverse can also be said. But, you have social circles where both coexisted peacefully. Some even intermarry (which ain't often discussed).

IMO, people are people. We may be different in many cases, but also share some commonalities as well. The only way to know this is by interacting with different people. One will be surprised how much in common one may have with someone just off of having a friendly conversation. This is what I know and have experienced most of my life in So. Cal.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

All the ignorance in this thread.



Breh, never once have I heard someone call oldies "chicano oldies."

Every race uses other race's shyt. Fact.

Are people gonna bytch about a chinese eating mexican food now?

Na, I've definitely seen them refer to old black soul/r&B songs as "Chicano Oldies". This modern day young chicana chick even referred to Soul music as part of their (chicano) culture




she performs in the style of R&B from that era

 

[Sankofa Alwayz]

Some of y’all was really in here thinking Mexicans originated cowboy culture huh?

 

[Sankofa Alwayz]

East coast and southern nikkas been biting off us for 30 years

I know you banned and I can only speak for the DMV but

 

[DJ Paul's Arm]

Lowriders is Los Angeles Mexican car culture tho

Nikkaz saw “Nuttin But a G Thang” video for the first time as a kid and thought nikkaz invented it.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Some of y’all was really in here thinking Mexicans originated cowboy culture huh?

There is a Mexican cowboy culture but it has no direct connection to the Afram one; infact, the Afram one originated in the South East in places like South Carolina, Georgie and Florida (No Mexicans were in those places) based in/on traits/skills of imported Africans mainly from certain Senegambian/Fulani traditions

Spoiler

See Bill Picket for example:

Spoiler

Bill Pickett's family came from a South Carolina cattle rancher family to Texas and basically to a large degree laid the foundation for the POPULAR image of black cowboy/rodeo culture in the gulf coast and other places outside the region

 

[JadeB]

There is a Mexican cowboy culture but it has no direct connection to the Afram one; infact, the Afram one originated in the South East in places like South Carolina, Georgie and Florida (No Mexicans were in those places) based in/on traits/skills of imported Africans mainly from certain Senegambian/Fulani traditions

Spoiler

See Bill Picket for example:

Your history lessons are much appreciated. Do you think Black cowboy culture and Mexican cowboy culture ran into each other in the Southwest and merged? Or does it remains to be one big coincidence?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Lowriders is Los Angeles Mexican car culture tho

It's definitely a big part of Chicano, Cali culture but the part about them INVENTING it is up for debate for reasons I posted here -->Are Westcoast black people ripping off Mexican culture?

Nikkaz saw “Nuttin But a G Thang” video for the first time as a kid and thought nikkaz invented it.

As far as the question goes about "blacks" invention(s)/creation/innovation/origin in Lowrider culture; Chicano OGs or scholars themselves are the ones who bring up the the role of pioneering black lowriding culture because this isn't a topic or sub-culture the black community at large cares about, so there's no real reason or outside pressure for Chicanos to willingly and openly state in their own magazine (Lowrider mag was founded in 1976 by 3 Chicanos)

the term "lowrider" was FIRST used to describe a type of car seen amongst black youth in Cali

or from this Chicana scholar who delved deeper into the subcultures' origins



and came away with these sentiments/thoughts from OG Chicano Lowrider pioneers

Ruelas Brothers (chicano)




Ted Wells (black)

.....the earliest article/mag with a reference to lowriders with actual pictures was a white car magazine in 1970 (established in the 1950s) showing black people and their cars

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Your history lessons are much appreciated. Do you think Black cowboy culture and Mexican cowboy culture ran into each other in the Southwest and merged? Or does it remains to be one big coincidence?

They definitely ran across each other in the South West but it's hard to say if they merged but some people think so

 

[Samori Toure]

this thread was hilarious .… and pathetic all in one

the fact that Mexicans …. want credit for shyt they had nothing to do with is insane

this is their culture …. they should stick with it, be proud of it & leave us alone

I am not even sure if that is entirely their culture. That just seems like some shytty European stuff that they adopted, like that polka music they play with those terrible ass sounding accordions that the Germans and other Europeans brought to that region. So a lot of that shyt came to them from the Europeans, which I guess makes sense because most Mexicans are probably mixed raced rather than true native people.

Their true cultural impact is probably something akin to what the native people in the USA were doing, which is actually pretty cool.

 

[KingsOfKings]

 

[Supper]

It's like with TX cowboy culture.

Mexicans like to completely conflate it with SW vaquero culture.

When in reality it's more related with old south cattle driver culture which black cattlemen brought with them during the domestic slave trade and seminole migratoin.

And not only that, but the "old south" wasn't unfamiliar with vaquero(SPANISH, not mexican) culture either as it was present in in Florida and Louisiana. In fact floridians have an older vaquero tradition than mexicans. Where do you think the Texas black seminoles came from?

There are far more notable black cowboys in TEXAS than mexican ones. The most famous trail in Texas, the chislolm trail, barely had any mexicans riding it, but an abundance of black cowboys.

 

[Satsui no Hadou]

It's like with TX cowboy culture.

Mexicans like to completely conflate it with SW vaquero culture.

When in reality it's more related with old south cattle driver culture which black cattlemen brought with them during the domestic slave trade and seminole migratoin.

And not only that, but the "old south" wasn't unfamiliar with vaquero(SPANISH, not mexican) culture either as it was present in in Florida and Louisiana. In fact floridians have an older vaquero tradition than mexicans. Where do you think the Texas black seminoles came from?

There are far more notable black cowboys in TEXAS than mexican ones. The most famous trail in Texas, the chislolm trail, barely had any mexicans riding it, but an abundance of black cowboys.

Y’all can have Florida cowboy culture

Nah, but for real, I think @IllmaticDelta had it right in that the two cultures merged at some point. The southwest and Florida aren’t that far apart and I’m sure commerce was booming as the US started expanding. It is not insane to believe that certain cultural traits would be borrowed via a vis trade and travel.

Pretty white of you to completely revise history. Texas and many other parts of the the country were Mexican territories at some point. It’s not out of the ordinary for Mexican nationals and American-born Mexicans to have established roots. The Chisholm trail is in the north and stretched into Kansas, of course there weren’t Mexicans there…there wasn’t much of anything.

Undeveloped land was the reason mexico invited settlers in the first place. The Mexican government had enough trouble domestically, what with the relatively recent independence from Spain, Mexican history was initially very tumultuous. So you basically have these white settlers with slaves that moved into these backwater areas to drive economic development. We all know how the rest worked out…but that’s another subject!

At the end of the day we’re all Americans - I say that with a tremendous amount of shame - and we all share a tremendous amount of culture. It’s not a zero sum game.