Are Westcoast black people ripping off Mexican culture?

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false . That shyt started when the tattoo trend started around 2008-2009 . When did Ink Master and LA Ink etc all those shows start poppin up on TV?

So basically you’re saying the whole US copied that style?

You can’t bring up gang tats as proof cuz nikkas been doing that since the 70s and 80s . What else LA nikkas gone get tatted?


Thank you for proving my point. I saw those tatted Mexicans and el salvi dudes doing that way before 08-09.
 

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Blacks and Mexicans influenced each other. Remember that a lot of Blacks and Mexicans shared the same neighborhoods. So, naturally, people who live next to each other, attended the same schools, etc. will influence one another.

Also, at one point, Blacks and Mexicans coexisted peacefully, give or take a few incidents. Then, at some point, things became racial due to jail and/or prison politics that leaked into the streets.

Personally, I don't believe that one culture stole from the other. I see it as people influencing one another from personal relationships to group relationships which varies from the neighborhoods to the cities, counties, etc.
 

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Blacks and Mexicans influenced each other. Remember that a lot of Blacks and Mexicans shared the same neighborhoods. So, naturally, people who live next to each other, attended the same schools, etc. will influence one another.

Also, at one point, Blacks and Mexicans coexisted peacefully, give or take a few incidents. Then, at some point, things became racial due to jail and/or prison politics that leaked into the streets.

Personally, I don't believe that one culture stole from the other. I see it as people influencing one another from personal relationships to group relationships which varies from the neighborhoods to the cities, counties, etc.
They still Co exist. Everybody not gang members.
 

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They still Co exist. Everybody not gang members.

No doubt. I have a lady friend who is Latina in my house right now watching football with me, so you are correct...

I believe most of the racial shyt is street related. But, of course you have ignorant people from all backgrounds and statuses.
 

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Low Rider culture is not even from Mexicans. Low Riding is from the hot rodding culture of the 1950's and 1960's in the United States.

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On top of that the song Lowrider is from a Black band called "War"



In conclusion stop listening to stupid people.


Lowrider culture is an outgrowth/continuation of Hot rodding culture.


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The story that often links the birth of low riders to Chicanos is based on the tale that a Mexican-American was the first to have a car fitted with hydraulics..


Car hydraulics are equipment installed in an automobile that allows for a dynamic adjustment in height of the vehicle. These suspension modifications are often placed in a lowrider, i.e., a vehicle modified to lower its ground clearance below that of its original design. With these modifications, the body of the car can be raised by remote control. The amount and kind of hydraulic pumps[1] being used and the different specifications of the subject vehicle will affect the impact of such systems on the height and orientation of the vehicle. With sufficient pumps, an automobile can jump and hop upwards of six feet off the ground. Enthusiasts hold car jumping contests[2] nationwide, which are judged on how high an automobile is able to bounce.[3]



the only problem is the guy they attribute it to claimed/claims that he was a white spaniard with no connections to chicano culture (he supposedly said this in a lowrider mag interview)



the other is that the first guy that actually did it (about a year earlier) was a white guy named Jim Logues

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1954 Ford Convertible owned and restyled by James "Jim" Logue of Long Beach, California. Named "The Fabulous X54," Jim's Ford is known as one of the first cars that used hydraulic lifts to alter the ground clearance. By pressing a button, the car could be raised or lowered 1-6 inches by utilizing a hydraulic system built from aircraft surplus parts. Jim's Ford is the first known custom car to be fitted with hydraulic lifts on all four corners, and it might be the very first custom to ever to incorporate this groundbreaking modification.


the other problem is that the first time a style of car was described as a "lowrider" was to a style of car that existed in black car culture


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Blacks and Mexicans influenced each other. Remember that a lot of Blacks and Mexicans shared the same neighborhoods. So, naturally, people who live next to each other, attended the same schools, etc. will influence one another.

The areas that some say Mexicans influenced blacks in was car/lowrider culture (I already touched on) and gang culture. This POV is based on the fact that they aren't able or don't distinguish between gangs in the most basic sense vs modern gangs in the style that we associate them with today. They say the earliest Mexican gangs were from an imported social structure called "Palomila" that means: flock of doves. They also say that while these were gangs in the most basic sense, they weren't like what we think of as modern urban gangs today

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similarly, the earliest black gangs in Cali of the 1920s weren't like what came later

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many gang historians think/say blacks picked up the gang stuff from Mexicans but at the same time, others postulate the opposite

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Also, at one point, Blacks and Mexicans coexisted peacefully, give or take a few incidents. Then, at some point, things became racial due to jail and/or prison politics that leaked into the streets.

this is mostly true






Personally, I don't believe that one culture stole from the other. I see it as people influencing one another from personal relationships to group relationships which varies from the neighborhoods to the cities, counties, etc.

the area some suggest mexicans influenced blacks underground/below the radar, was in the gang culture

the area that blacks influenced mexicans and is well/highly documented on a mainstream level was obviously, musically



an the ethnic pride/agenda that the Black Panthers pioneered would influence/give way directly to the Mexican-American, Chicano & Brown Power/Pride movement



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I'm listen to this brilliant idiots podcast and the topic of why Mexicans don't get shine in the media. These nikkas was saying that we took lowrider culture and chopper suits from them and made them popular in mainstream.
Typical brainwashed Cali c00ns :scust:
 

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Threads like this is why i could never take the coli serious when it comes to race discussions :heh:.

In your minds you're like ":russ: @ us taking shyt from mexicans" but the fact still remains that lowriders,plaid shirts and dikkies came from chicanos on the west coast. These chicanos grew up sharing the same schools and neighborhoods with blacks, so let's not act like it ain't no coincidence that rappers on the west coast imitated the style.

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Just look at lowrider car shows on youtube and you'll see that majority of the people there are mexican.


I swear y’all weird as shyt when it comes to this history shyt

Cali has always been segregated and when things started to mix - Mexicans became ultra racist.

Even when schools used to be real large Mexicans have and were ALWAYS racist a fukk on some prison politics bullshyt.

Race riots and all that. There was no unity. They stayed in their own lane and TOOK shyt from us as they do. They don’t like black people but they love our culture, racist mfers. fukking sickening.

No such thing as “black and brown” unity. That’s c00n shyt said by defeated nikkas who grew up under a system of white supremacy.
 

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The areas that some say Mexicans influenced blacks in was car/lowrider culture (I already touched on) and gang culture. This POV is based on the fact that they aren't able or don't distinguish between gangs in the most basic sense vs modern gangs in the style that we associate them with today. They say the earliest Mexican gangs were from an imported social structure called "Palomila" that means: flock of doves. They also say that while these were gangs in the most basic sense, they weren't like what we think of as modern urban gangs today

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similarly, the earliest black gangs in Cali of the 1920s weren't like what came later

Y026m0O.jpg





NC5kh6d.jpg


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A history of the Slausons and similar black gangs prior to the Crips/Bloods





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many gang historians think/say blacks picked up the gang stuff from Mexicans but at the same time, others postulate the opposite

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this is mostly true








the area some suggest mexicans influenced blacks underground/below the radar, was in the gang culture

the area that blacks influenced mexicans and is well/highly documented on a mainstream level was obviously, musically



an the ethnic pride/agenda that the Black Panthers pioneered would influence/give way directly to the Mexican-American, Chicano & Brown Power/Pride movement



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Thanks for sharing. Every time someone bring up this topic, usually misinformation is spewed, especially from people who aren't from the area, city, state, etc.

Bottomline is that the dynamic between both ethnic groups isn't straight forward black & white. There is a lot of grey area and can be rather multilayered & complicated.

Lastly, you have a street element and a civilian element. Sometimes they intertwine and other times the are separate. Both, the dynamic between the two elements have to be noted, recognised and respected as being its own entity.
 
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