Are Producers becoming more important than rappers?

[nineteeneightysix]

All of the equipment Primo used was available to the general public..

Most people could not afford it...

Ferraris are available to the general public...Affordability is something different though...

 

[observe]

Most people could not afford it...

Ferraris are available to the general public...Affordability is something different though...

Most people can't afford to spend 2 racks on equipment for their producing endeavors? Even if they worked or slanged dope back then?

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

Most people can't afford to spend 2 racks on equipment for their producing endeavors? Even if they worked or slanged dope back then?

breh, do you realize how much $2,000 was back then?

many Americans weren't even bringing home 2 racks a month.... much less had that much to spend on equipment for producing.

 

[observe]

breh, do you realize how much $2,000 was back then?

many Americans weren't even bringing home 2 racks a month.... much less had that much to spend on equipment for producing.

So you're saying that to do hip hop back then meant that you had money..so that means that hip hop came out the surburbs and not out poor communities cuz the poor couldn't afford to do it..ok..thx for that info

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

So you're saying that to do hip hop back then meant that you had money..so that means that hip hop came out the surburbs and not out poor communities cuz the poor couldn't afford to do it..ok..thx for that info

we're not talking breakdancing, graffiti, or rapping....we're talking producing.

an MPC60 was $5,000 in 1988.... that's literally the equivalent of 10k in todays money.

you ever notice how most,if not all of them dudes from the 80's had ties with people in the streets...or were in the streets themselves?

i mean, it's not THAT hard to put two and two together.

 

[observe]

Most people can't afford to spend 2 racks on equipment for their producing endeavors? Even if they worked or slanged dope back then?

we're not talking breakdancing, graffiti, or rapping....we're talking producing.

an MPC60 was $5,000 in 1988.... that's literally the equivalent of 10k in todays money.

you ever notice how most,if not all of them dudes from the 80's had ties with people in the streets...or were in the streets themselves?

i mean, it's not THAT hard to put two and two together.

 

[mr.africa]

did not read your long-ass paragraph, but YES.

THINK ABOUT IT.
how many rappers get carried by their production and not by their lyrics.
having a good ear for beats gets praised more than writing thought provoking lyrics.
it is the times we live in.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

@observe it's like you don't get that the dudes who could afford this shyt, usually weren't the ones able to produce music.

 

[observe]

@observe it's like you don't get that the dudes who could afford this shyt, usually weren't the ones able to produce music.

Ok ya ya..ur right..It's too late to argue

 

[How Sway?]

meh, i always felt like they were considered "more important than the rappers".

Even back in the 70's It was all about the DJ and the MC was just the dude rhyming to get the party amped...

Early 90's east coast rap(and specifically early 90's East Coast rap) was (at least IMO) the only subgenre where MCing was the overriding element in a song, but even then the producers were still very important in creating a sound that captured the atmosphere and and terrain of their surroundings.

 

[Wacky D]

producers have always been the backbone of this.

like homie just said, you can go back to the park-jam days where the DJ was more important than the rapper.

you can even look at rap's biggest breakthrough years in the mid-80s. whats the common denominator between run dmc & whodini(besides rush management)? LARRY SMITH was whodini's primary producer and one of run dmc's main guys as well. and of course, run dmc had rick rubin, and so did the beastie boys. the fat boys had kurtis blow and them. hell kurtis blow had kurtis blow. his beats were better than his raps. salt n pepa, kid n play, etc were all under herbie luv bug.

you can play this same game with every era before and after that.

I've always considered Producers more important
When Beats By the Pound left, nolimit was finished
Beats by the Pound basically created artist. Nolimit had some guys with skills, but the majority of them were street nyggas. They weren't rappers.
When the diplomats weren't getting those heatmakerz beats, they were finished imo
I'm sure you got people here who have been in the studio with artist & were completely unimpressed. The producer had to make them sound good.
Hell you can create an artist. Get someone with a good voice, give him some production, & hand him some lyrics & tell him to spit it.

i see what youre saying and i agree with the thread's premise, but no limit fell off primarily because the roster got screwed up. beats by the pound being a part of that roster, but there was a helluva lot else going on there.

and dipset got bigger after the heatmakerz beats actually. they havnt really used heatmakerz beats since 2004, and you can argue that they havnt used them heavily since 2003. but their biggest years were 2005-2006.

but yea, beats by the pound & heatmakerz were extremely vital.

 

[How Sway?]

This isn't 2003 breh producers are irrelevant now.

You could literally hear a beat on a full rap project from some 23 year old nobody in his mommas basement. shyt all it takes is a few months of playing with a bit of software and the right guy to stumble on your stuff.

tru.....
Thats what happens when you have dudes making similar beats in their basement for even LESS. Kinda hard to keep your name out there when you got nikkas who expanded on the sound that you were know for AND they charge less.

Perfect example, three yrs ago lex luger was the hottest up and coming producer. Now, all we hear about is Mike-will-made it and Young Chop.

 

[DaveyDave]

Guru did those Premo beats justice...

Premo is not a top producer...He was top for an era and region, but overall, Premo really isn't that good...Premo got lucky because the equipment was expensive, and most people who loved hip hop could not afford it...

I only respect Premo's scratches, and not because I think he is any good at it, but because I can't do it, so I have to give him some credit for that...

Premo didn't have any equipment that any other producers didn't have. for most of his career, Premo's basic set up has been an MPC & a bunch of records.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I'll just say this......Canibus.

**Throws down mic**
**Walks off stage**​

 

[California]

I've been saying instrumental music is going to become very popular soon. Watch.