Are haitians the diaspora that kept closest to their African roots?

[Samori Toure]

I'm on my phone but the Oxford university website mentions a study called, "Complex genetic origins of Americans uncovered", wherein African Americans are stated by researchers to have black ancestry similar to Nigerians'. Ergo I am right.

You can stop using that service right there. The 3 major groups that African Americans are going to be descended from are the Mande people; Kongo people and Akan people. There were some Fulani captured with the Mande people and there were Igbo people captured; but not in the same numbers as the Mande, Kongo and Akan people.

One of the interesting thing that I have learned about Nigerian DNA is that every time that I see an African American with Yoruban DNA; I almost instinctively think that that AA has ancestry from the Caribbean or South America; because that is where most of the Yoruban slaves were taken.

 

[Retired Account]

Please, explain to us:

• What look do you exactly have?
• What does "too African" look like?
• How is not looking "too African" a grateful thing?

Looks differ by country but many are dark as shyt. No one looks at me and thinks Africa.

 

[godkiller]

You can stop using that service right there. The 3 major groups that African Americans are going to be descended from are the Mande people; Kongo people and Akan people. There were some Fulani captured with the Mande people and there were Igbo people captured; but no in the same numbers as the Mande, Kongo and Akan people.

One of the interesting thing that I have learned about Nigerian DNA is that every time that I see an African American with Yoruban DNA; I almost instinctively think that that AA has ancestry from the Caribbean or South America; because that is where most of the Yoruban slaves were taken.

There is no difference between Yoruba and Igbo people in study, and very, very little between peoples like the Akan and Yoruba, as noted by study comparing the groups. It may be that researchers are grouping the Akan into the Yoruba group for lack of Akan samples and because the Akan and like show up so similarly in study. Science does not find diversity between these peoples on Africa. Their dominant Y haplogroups, for example, are both the same. So you could be right and the study method is just amalgamating Negroes. Bit then that just proves baseblack gene pool in the dispora are not different at all, which is against what some users here have argued.

In general studies have found countries' neighbors in the old world are most related to each other.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

If we're talking in terns of admixture then MAYBE, that's a big MAYBE. But in terms of culture? Heck no and I say this as a person who is part Haitian descent. In terms of culture Afro-Brazilians and Afro-Cubans easily take the cake in terms of being "closer" to their African "roots." Haitian culture actually has a good amount of French European influence among other influences. Haitian dances and music seem to have more European influence compared to the dances and music in Afro Brazilian and Cuban culture.

And like others said Haitian Vodou is more similar to Modern day Beninese Vodun and Catholicism. I don't know where people get heavy Yoruba influence from?

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Ain't nobody hating on Haitians. A lot of Haitians ended up in Louisiana during the Haitian Revolution; so a lot of African Americans are descended from Haitians.

Louisiana is just ONE small area out of many in the USA. So " a lot of AAs descending from Haitians" is a huge statement.

 

[Houston911]

Another dumb thread in TLR...shocking.

One, African culture is not monolithic. Sahelian culture is not the same as the culture to the South of it. Neither is coastal, desert and forest culture.

Different colonies received slaves from different tribes and kingdoms. Haitian, African American and Jamaican slaves were not even close to be of similar tribe make-up.

Most of the shyt yall call "African culture" is present across the developing world and has way more to do with the global south vs the west than any idea of purity.

You african breh?

 

[Houston911]

Who wants to be close to Africa
Im grateful i dont look too African

Im rounding your biracial ass to white

 

[Blackout]

Who wants to be close to Africa
Im grateful i dont look too African

Are you Dominican?

 

[Retired Account]

Are you Dominican?

No

 

[How Sway?]

If we're talking in terns of admixture then MAYBE, that's a big MAYBE. But in terms of culture? Heck no and I say this as a person who is part Haitian descent. In terms of culture Afro-Brazilians and Afro-Cubans easily take the cake in terms of being "closer" to their African "roots." Haitian culture actually has a good amount of French European influence among other influences. Haitian dances and music seem to have more European influence compared to the dances and music in Afro Brazilian and Cuban culture.

And like others said Haitian Vodou is more similar to Modern day Beninese Vodun and Catholicism. I don't know where people get heavy Yoruba influence from?

Yeah vodun is definitely a fon/ewe tradition.

Iirc yoruba people have a very distinct religion with various dieties , although most modern day yoruba people are christians.

Anyway, I think people see how poor Haiti is and how dark skinned most of the people are and they automatically assume that they are closer to african culture than most blacks in the west but like you said that's not true when you look deeper into the culture.

I do think haitians as a whole have retained more 'african culture' than most of the other carribean islands.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

African culture is genetic.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

We are ignorant African Americans about African American culture/history says an Islander

 

[Enzo]

I'm Ashanti and Trini, grew up in a Jamaican neighbourhood in Canada, and lived in NY for half my adult life.

and honestly, it's all the same shyt. lol

Everywhere you go, black people is black people.

They're going to be overtly spiritual, they're going to be TOO hospitable, they're gonna have a penchant for poetic speech and storytelling, they're gonna stew ANY vegetable, they're going to have an authoritarian parenting style, they're going to kiss/suck their teeth, they're going to depend heavily on community, etc.

America, Caribbean, Africa, Europe...




Only difference is African Americans actually use their dishwashing machines.

I grew up in an African household that never even had a dishwasher and my dad and uncle used to always use the phrase "the dishwasher is broken" when there would be too many dishes for their liking. When we finally moved to a place with a dishwasher, we were so conditioned to washing that we only used it for extra dish drying space and for storage LOL. I'm still pretty bad at it today. Would rather just handwash all the dishes than prewash and load and fill with detergent etc..

 

[IllmaticDelta]

 

[Enzo]

On another note, an associate once told me that people who live on the same latitude aka the same UV radiation zone have a lot more in common than even places in the same continent/country but different latitude. The UV had a huge effect on skin color, land development, the foods eaten, and the cultures that survived.

I don't know too much too really state how accurate this is, but I can definitely see where it may have some merit.