Archaeologists find two 'lost cities' deep in Honduras jungle

[thekyuke]

It's kind of hard to forget about Clyde since he's the only one who is still advocating this theory. Commonality doesn't automatically translate into a direct relation:

Most of the extant mtDNA boundaries in South and Southwest Asia were likely shaped during the *initial settlement of Eurasia by anatomically modern humans.*

Since the initial peopling of South and West Asia by anatomically modern humans, when this region may well have provided the initial settlers who colonized much of the rest of Eurasia, the *gene flow in and out of India of the maternally transmitted mtDNA has been surprisingly limited* - Kivisild.

Read through this discussion: http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=003430;p=1

Most of this stuff is addressed.

Dude,have you actually read that link?? It discusses ancient India and African links on every level and even goes into oceanography and compares Dravidian/Australian aboriginal languages. Here's just on example: "The ancient iron civilization of Africans is establised. British archaeologists called Meroe, “The Birmingham of Ancient Africa”. Basil Davidson, a well known author named it “An Athens in Africa.” From an Indian


point of view Meroe was ‘A Vrindavan of Krishna’. What is the reason to call it so?



In Meroe, archaeologists have found two engravings. These represented their lion-gods, it seems to be of Indian origin. It resembles the Indian God Nara_Simha Murti. (See the photos:Dravidians and Africans). The age of these lion god’s engravings is attributed to the first century B. C. to the end of the first century A.D."......................

"That the Kushytes had commercial


contact with India which is not in doubt. The commercial



contacts lead to the cultural contacts also. The worship of the lion god is one among the productions of their contacts with India."

The more I read,the more I see you involuntarily invalidating your own position. The question about Cabrera still remains.
"In Table 2, we see the defining control region mutations for African Dravidian and Oceanian haplotypes. The shared haplotypes correspond to the L3(M/Q) haplogroups. These haplotypes are predominately the pan-African haplotypes: 16129,16223,16189 and 16311.
Table 2: Definining control region mutations for African,Dravidian and Oceanian Haplotypes
Haplogroups HVS1 (add 16000) M 129 241 311 M1 129 189 249 311 M27a 223 048 077T 172 311 320 189 136 M28a 223 148 468 362 086 129 320 M29a 223 189 311
M29‟Q
129 241 Q1 223 148 265 343 D4 223 189 129 311 249 The M, N, and R macrohaplogroups are found throughout East and South and Southeast Asia, the Andaman Islands and Africa (Cabrera
et al.,
2004)."

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Dude,have you actually read that link?? It discusses ancient India and African links on every level and even goes into oceanography and compares Dravidian/Australian aboriginal languages. Here's just on example: "The ancient iron civilization of Africans is establised. British archaeologists called Meroe, “The Birmingham of Ancient Africa”. Basil Davidson, a well known author named it “An Athens in Africa.” From an Indian


point of view Meroe was ‘A Vrindavan of Krishna’. What is the reason to call it so?



In Meroe, archaeologists have found two engravings. These represented their lion-gods, it seems to be of Indian origin. It resembles the Indian God Nara_Simha Murti. (See the photos:Dravidians and Africans). The age of these lion god’s engravings is attributed to the first century B. C. to the end of the first century A.D."......................

"That the Kushytes had commercial


contact with India which is not in doubt. The commercial



contacts lead to the cultural contacts also. The worship of the lion god is one among the productions of their contacts with India."

The more I read,the more I see you involuntarily invalidating your own position. The question about Cabrera still remains.
"In Table 2, we see the defining control region mutations for African Dravidian and Oceanian haplotypes. The shared haplotypes correspond to the L3(M/Q) haplogroups. These haplotypes are predominately the pan-African haplotypes: 16129,16223,16189 and 16311.
Table 2: Definining control region mutations for African,Dravidian and Oceanian Haplotypes
Haplogroups HVS1 (add 16000) M 129 241 311 M1 129 189 249 311 M27a 223 048 077T 172 311 320 189 136 M28a 223 148 468 362 086 129 320 M29a 223 189 311
M29‟Q
129 241 Q1 223 148 265 343 D4 223 189 129 311 249 The M, N, and R macrohaplogroups are found throughout East and South and Southeast Asia, the Andaman Islands and Africa (Cabrera
et al.,
2004)."

It's not me invalidating anything, it's modern genetics. Besides, what you quoted says that Africa got it's lion based deities from India. You believe that?

 

[thekyuke]

It's not me invalidating anything, it's modern genetics. Besides, what you quoted says that Africa got it's lion based deities from India. You believe that?

I might stop replying. For the 4th time WHAT ABOUT CABRERAS???

"In Table 2, we see the defining control region mutations for African Dravidian and Oceanian haplotypes. The shared haplotypes correspond to the L3(M/Q) haplogroups. These haplotypes are predominately the pan-African haplotypes: 16129,16223,16189 and 16311.
Table 2: Definining control region mutations for African,Dravidian and Oceanian Haplotypes
Haplogroups HVS1 (add 16000) M 129 241 311 M1 129 189 249 311 M27a 223 048 077T 172 311 320 189 136 M28a 223 148 468 362 086 129 320 M29a 223 189 311
M29‟Q
129 241 Q1 223 148 265 343 D4 223 189 129 311 249 The M, N, and R macrohaplogroups are found throughout East and South and Southeast Asia, the Andaman Islands and Africa (Cabrera
et al.,
2004)."
The origin of the lion based deities are debatable. Read carefully: "These represented their lion-gods, it seems to be of Indian origin."

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I might stop replying. For the 4th time WHAT ABOUT CABRERAS???

"In Table 2, we see the defining control region mutations for African Dravidian and Oceanian haplotypes. The shared haplotypes correspond to the L3(M/Q) haplogroups. These haplotypes are predominately the pan-African haplotypes: 16129,16223,16189 and 16311.
Table 2: Definining control region mutations for African,Dravidian and Oceanian Haplotypes
Haplogroups HVS1 (add 16000) M 129 241 311 M1 129 189 249 311 M27a 223 048 077T 172 311 320 189 136 M28a 223 148 468 362 086 129 320 M29a 223 189 311
M29‟Q
129 241 Q1 223 148 265 343 D4 223 189 129 311 249 The M, N, and R macrohaplogroups are found throughout East and South and Southeast Asia, the Andaman Islands and Africa (Cabrera
et al.,
2004)."
The origin of the lion based deities are debatable. Read carefully: "These represented their lion-gods, it seems to be of Indian origin."

Maybe you should. To address that I referred you to Kivisild's study, which is also referenced and misrepresented by Clyde, which states that the "negrito" Andaman Islanders share M4 and M2 lineages with Dravidians, but NOT AFRICANS. Hence this quote:

Since the initial peopling of South and West Asia by anatomically modern humans, when this region may well have provided the initial settlers who colonized much of the rest of Eurasia, the *gene flow in and out of India of the maternally transmitted mtDNA has been surprisingly limited* - Kivisild.

M1 is ONLY found in East and West Africa. India has several M lineages which are unique to Asia alone.

So what's the problem?

Andaman Islanders are Asians. They are not Africans. It's time to let it go.

 

[thekyuke]

Maybe you should. To address that I referred you to Kivisild's study, which is also referenced and misrepresented by Clyde, which states that the "negrito" Andaman Islanders share M4 and M2 lineages with Dravidians, but NOT AFRICANS. Hence this quote:

Since the initial peopling of South and West Asia by anatomically modern humans, when this region may well have provided the initial settlers who colonized much of the rest of Eurasia, the *gene flow in and out of India of the maternally transmitted mtDNA has been surprisingly limited* - Kivisild.

M1 is ONLY found in East and West Africa. India has several M lineages which are unique to Asia alone.

So what's the problem?

Andaman Islanders are Asians. They are not Africans. It's time to let it go.

Kivisild obviously HAS AN AGENDA,like many Cacs in thie archaeogenetics biz. Look at his OWN STUDY:

In other words the founding populations of S Asia including India WERE AFRICAN. How are Andamanese not African?

The same fake Cac categorisation that claims Papuans aren't African cause of arbitrary cranial characteristics.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Kivisild obviously HAS AN AGENDA,like many Cacs in thie archaeogenetics biz. Look at his OWN STUDY:

In other words the founding populations of S Asia including India WERE AFRICAN. How are Andamanese not African?

The same fake Cac categorisation that claims Papuans aren't African cause of arbitrary cranial characteristics.

Word, he has such an agenda Clyde cites him. When all the evidence is against you blame cacs, of course.

I was holding out hope but you're an idiot.

 

[thekyuke]

Word, he has such an agenda Clyde cites him. When all the evidence is against you blame cacs, of course.

I was holding out hope but you're an idiot.

Nikka,don't go all byatch made and ad hominem!! Clyde used Kivisilds's own study to prove African origins of India. I'll tell you why I'm so convinced: Even early N E Asia as far back as the Paleolithic was black til as as recently as a millenia or so ago.
Their Asian overland migratory dispersal point was India. ANSWER CABRERAS!! FORGET CLYDE!!

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Nikka,don't go all byatch made and ad hominem!! Clyde used Kivisilds's own study to prove African origins of India. I'll tell you why I'm so convinced: Even early N E Asia as far back as the Paleolithic was black til as as recently as a millenia or so ago.
Their Asian overland migratory dispersal point was India. ANSWER CABRERAS!! FORGET CLYDE!!

Black is a useless term, it's a modern social construct. The point here is that people like the Andaman Islanders and other tribals and maybe even some Dravidian speaking populations are "black" Asians, not "black" Africans.

 

[thekyuke]

Black is a useless term, it's a modern social construct. The point here is that people like the Andaman Islanders and other tribals and maybe even some Dravidian speaking populations are "black" Asians, not "black" Africans.

No.Just.No That's what the MSM says when they can't fudge or distort the ID of the Original Peoples. You'll find the whole idea of race being a social construct first came out in the late 90s when the fallacy of White Egypt collapsed. Why is it so hard to just say the Papuans and Andamanese are black Africans-forget the pseudo scientific bs!

 

[GetInTheTruck]

No.Just.No That's what the MSM says when they can't fudge or distort the ID of the Original Peoples. You'll find the whole idea of race being a social construct first came out in the late 90s when the fallacy of White Egypt collapsed. Why is it so hard to just say the Papuans and Andamanese are black Africans-forget the pseudo scientific bs!

Because they aren't. They are Asians, they cluster genetically with other Asians, not Africans. The question is why YOU find this so hard to accept.

 

[Black White Sox Hat]

I'm still amazed that there are still places left on this earth that have yet to be discovered.

 

[thekyuke]

Because they aren't. They are Asians, they cluster genetically with other Asians, not Africans. The question is why YOU find this so hard to accept.

You're misunderstanding me! The MSM academia DELIBERATELY distorts phenotypical categorisations to 'PROVE' the Original Peoples all over weren't black. Its also why they say Papuan/Melanasian/Eurafrican/Australoid and my personal favourite-'mysterious race," instead of just saying Black African.

 

[Truth200]

I'm still amazed that there are still places left on this earth that have yet to be discovered.

Same here.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

You're misunderstanding me! The MSM academia DELIBERATELY distorts phenotypical categorisations to 'PROVE' the Original Peoples all over weren't black. Its also why they say Papuan/Melanasian/Eurafrican/Australoid and my personal favourite-'mysterious race," instead of just saying Black African.

Oh you mean the same mainstream academia which posits that Africa is the birthplace of humanity? You're not making sense.

 

[thekyuke]

Oh you mean the same mainstream academia which posits that Africa is the birthplace of humanity? You're not making sense.

No. The same MSM academia that says these Blacks are actually Asian or European by some fake made up categorisation:usually dodgy dna nomenclature and/or tricky cranio/dental morphology

Here's a typical example.

"But as far as DNA goes they are definitely Asian." REAALLLLYY?? nikka,please!?
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.w...-onge-and-sentinelese-of-the-andaman-islands/
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.w...-onge-and-sentinelese-of-the-andaman-islands/

That's the kind of BS I'm talking about!