AOC & Congressional Progressives push back on Jimmy Dore and premature Medicare For All floor votes

[EndDomination]

Like I said Republicans will always celebrate minor victories because they know the bigger picture at hand. For some reason it’s progressive that need everything to happen right now with no planning no structure or no strategy.

For obvious reasons, Republican victories don't hinge on anything of value, and you know that. Pushing back women's access to healthcare, or destroying the social safety net, or deregulating corporations - none of those things are "positive" steps, they're only regressive steps - so anything they do that provides a bit of destruction is preferred.

Progressive policies are usually centered around immediate necessities: food, healthcare, shelter, state-violence, the incarcerated population, the environment, etc. Where people will suffer if they're not enacted.

 

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There's a reason known grifters like Jimmy Dore, Krystal Ball and Brie Brie Joy are supporting this.

Do you know what grifter means?

Dore is an idiot and a clown, but nothing about what he's doing is a "grift."

The same for Krystal Ball and Briahna Joy Gray - they're left-leaning media pundits, not "grifters."

Alex Jones, who is perpetuating lunacy while also selling literal products to accompany his fringe-ideology - he's a grifter.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The M4A movement shouldn’t listen to Dore or Brie until they stop using top line polls and decide how you can sell the entire package which includes taxation, reducing provider and drug costs and all that.

The same polls you ignored with your shyt tier moderation for the last 24 months when you deleted posts, threads, and issued warnings for pointing this out?

Myself and countless others told you this shyt for YEARS. but no you cling to that Medicare for all religion that was devoid of any real plan or meaning or definition.

we all want improved healthcare but your slavish devotion to the charlatan mythos of Bernie sanders wasted everyone’s time on the left from pursuing substantive policies with widespread left support.

You fools KILLED warrens campaign for this.

for this?!!

I told you all these people were racist grifters and I was proven right on every single person you tried to elevate on here.

you should be ashamed of yourself. Just god level clown shyt.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

For obvious reasons, Republican victories don't hinge on anything of value, and you know that. Pushing back women's access to healthcare, or destroying the social safety net, or deregulating corporations - none of those things are "positive" steps, they're only regressive steps - so anything they do that provides a bit of destruction is preferred.

Progressive policies are usually centered around immediate necessities: food, healthcare, shelter, state-violence, the incarcerated population, the environment, etc. Where people will suffer if they're not enacted.

The GOP has effectively repealed roe vs wade in many ways. That’s the point.

they can seed the ground and wait things out.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

What is they cost of this brand of purity politics for people following the Dores and Balls of this world though?

It's almost reverse tea party. Depress progressives and depress the vote.

The real problem is that these are aren’t progressives. Like we said. Your progress can’t be limited to morality. It has to be linked to strategy to achieve outcomes.

the ends matter, not the means.

 

[EndDomination]

The GOP has effectively repealed roe vs wade in many ways. That’s the point.

they can seed the ground and wait things out.

Destruction is easier than building - the point you're making is asinine.

The GOP has not managed to "build" anything in decades. Only cause damage to legislation, systems, and institutions.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

There's a reason known grifters like Jimmy Dore, Krystal Ball and Brie Brie Joy are supporting this.

Again. I want to point out the thread I started that called this shyt out almost a year ago. These are the same people being infatuated with Josh Hawley and other “anti woke” democrats who only want economic populism while forgetting minorities. This is who these people are.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Destruction is easier than building - the point you're making is asinine.

The GOP has not managed to "build" anything in decades. Only cause damage to legislation, systems, and institutions.

Yeah and negative ads against Warnock and Ossoff work. What’s your point?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Not one person has explained how this performative nonsense will actually get anybody closer to M4A in the middle of this pandemic. You cannot explain that, and no one is even foolish enough to try because they already acknowledge this is a fool's errand that is guaranteed to fail.

So ask yourself: do these people really care about getting you healthcare or are they just trying to get money for their Patreons from frustrated working people? Jimmy Dore just bought a $2 million house. Brie Brie Joy gets $30K a month for her podcast. Krystal Ball makes well over six figures indoctrinating young leftists to right-wing propaganda. I think they'll be ok regardless.

AOC already got canned on a committee. They want to skip the step of building power and jump to the take over stage. They confused access with control.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Those who vote no on the sponsor list will be primaried by someone who does support M4A, they hopefully win and then we will have more support in government for the legislation. Doing it during a pandemic when 14.6 million and counting have lost their health insurance makes the issue particularly timely and sentiment for it at an all-time high. I just 'explained that'. lol
And it's funny the political commentators on youtube against this also get a lot views, make a lot of money etc. I don't begrudge them of that since they are donations. Meanwhile, you got mainstream media figures like Rachel Maddow making $30K a day fukk a month and they get it from weapons manufacturers, pharmacudical companies and whatever else corporate sponsors run commercials during these 24 hour news stations. But that's journalism not any type of grift. lol

Kara Eastman. What happened?

 

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Do you know what grifter means?

Dore is an idiot and a clown, but nothing about what he's doing is a "grift."

The same for Krystal Ball and Briahna Joy Gray - they're left-leaning media pundits, not "grifters."

Alex Jones, who is perpetuating lunacy while also selling literal products to accompany his fringe-ideology - he's a grifter.

Jimmy's mighty close though. Just keep an eye out on that

 

[AnonymityX1000]

You didn't explain anything. You just told me what you 'hope.'

What happens when those who don't support M4A get primaried but their challenger loses their election in general?

What happens when those who don't support M4A win their primary challenges and get reelected?

What happens when they lose to a Republican, who wouldn't even entertain the idea of even a public option because it's 'socialized medicine'?

Since the cosponsor list wasn't good enough because "anybody can say they cosponsor a bill," what happens when people vote yes just because they don't want to get primaried? Is that good enough or does the goalpost move to "they only voted yes because they were pressured"?

What happens when a centrist goes, "fukk you and your primary ," votes no, and faces no consequences in their reelection bid?

What happens if someone who voted yes still loses their reelection and now you have one less vote for it?

What happens when, if by some miracle this passes, but doesn't even get brought to the floor of the Senate?

What happens when Democrats lost the House, as they are expected to do in 2022, and this conversation is off the table for the next two years?

How many cycles is this going to have to go on for? How many times are we going to have to go through the motions of "see who voted yes, primary who voted no, hope their primary challengers win, repeat" until this actually passes?

This is the problem with these performative progressives. Yeah, it's cool to go, "fukk all centrists. We're gonna primary them, and if we can't, but you lose to a Republican, that's your problem," but right now, there are more of them in congress than there are of you, so if that's how you want to play the game, it's going to take a very long time to get what you want.

Doesn't sound very 'accelerationist' to me.

The House Dems just lost 9 seats to this past election. For those that lost 8 didn't support M4, while only 1 who did lost. All your what if scenarios is just politics playing out. All you can do is 'hope' because no one knows what will actually happen until election day. But that's no reason to play it scared, I prefer politicians with conviction that actually put their nuts on the table and fight for what their constituents want. How about you?

I mean I think people will go back to being jaded cause when you lose and lose, that happens. And US politics, big stuff that's good doesn't happen that often without years of buildup.

Their end game is to start a 3rd party. More power to you if you feel you can accomplish more than the Green Party.


Jayapal's bill is more detailed than Conyers' bill and Bernie's bill. Its very good. But it isn't clear just like those two bills on how it is funded and I hated the whole 'how ya gonna pay for it' BS in the primary. But with healthcare, you gotta figure it out and if you have unpopular tax increases or provider cuts, you gotta package it in with the good stuff the polls tell us that people like.

M4A movement doesn't dabble in that.

I don't think you 'have to', cause like you said it's BS and another reason is it will likely save government money compared to our current system over time. But whatever, seems like adding that into the legislation is trying to bring down it's popularity on purpose. That's counter productive to getting it passed. This is more unnecessary 'responsibility/adults in the room' only Democrats fall for.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Kara Eastman. What happened?

The same thing that happened to Max Rose. lol

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The same thing that happened to Max Rose. lol

Nah. I’m not defending max rose. You’re defending Eastman

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Nah. I’m not defending max rose. You’re defending Eastman

Oh what's wrong with Max Rose?