What is they cost of this brand of purity politics for people following the Dores and Balls of this world though?
It's almost reverse tea party. Depress progressives and depress the vote.
AOC & Congressional Progressives push back on Jimmy Dore and premature Medicare For All floor votes
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It's almost reverse tea party. Depress progressives and depress the vote.
AquaCityBoy
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There's a reason known grifters like Jimmy Dore, Krystal Ball and Brie Brie Joy are supporting this.
AnonymityX1000
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Wait so the Jayapal HR 1384 Bill is no longer comprehensive enough? That's what he wants to force the vote on.
AnonymityX1000
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Cause they want M4A and want the House to vote on it to see who isn't really about that life?!
AquaCityBoy
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AnonymityX1000
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Knowledge us then and stop giggling..
No.
AquaCityBoy
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Not one person has explained how this performative nonsense will actually get anybody closer to M4A in the middle of this pandemic. You cannot explain that, and no one is even foolish enough to try because they already acknowledge this is a fool's errand that is guaranteed to fail.
So ask yourself: do these people really care about getting you healthcare or are they just trying to get money for their Patreons from frustrated working people? Jimmy Dore just bought a $2 million house. Brie Brie Joy gets $30K a month for her podcast. Krystal Ball makes well over six figures indoctrinating young leftists to right-wing propaganda. I think they'll be ok regardless.
AnonymityX1000
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Those who vote no on the sponsor list will be primaried by someone who does support M4A, they hopefully win and then we will have more support in government for the legislation. Doing it during a pandemic when 14.6 million and counting have lost their health insurance makes the issue particularly timely and sentiment for it at an all-time high. I just 'explained that'. lol
And it's funny the political commentators on youtube against this also get a lot views, make a lot of money etc. I don't begrudge them of that since they are donations. Meanwhile, you got mainstream media figures like Rachel Maddow making $30K a day fukk a month and they get it from weapons manufacturers, pharmacudical companies and whatever else corporate sponsors run commercials during these 24 hour news stations. But that's journalism not any type of grift. lol
AquaCityBoy
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You didn't explain anything. You just told me what you 'hope.'
What happens when those who don't support M4A get primaried but their challenger loses their election in general?
What happens when those who don't support M4A win their primary challenges and get reelected?
What happens when they lose to a Republican, who wouldn't even entertain the idea of even a public option because it's 'socialized medicine'?
Since the cosponsor list wasn't good enough because "anybody can say they cosponsor a bill," what happens when people vote yes just because they don't want to get primaried? Is that good enough or does the goalpost move to "they only voted yes because they were pressured"?
What happens when a centrist goes, "fukk you and your primary
," votes no, and faces no consequences in their reelection bid?What happens if someone who voted yes still loses their reelection and now you have one less vote for it?
What happens when, if by some miracle this passes, but doesn't even get brought to the floor of the Senate?
What happens when Democrats lost the House, as they are expected to do in 2022, and this conversation is off the table for the next two years?
How many cycles is this going to have to go on for? How many times are we going to have to go through the motions of "see who voted yes, primary who voted no, hope their primary challengers win, repeat" until this actually passes?
This is the problem with these performative progressives. Yeah, it's cool to go, "fukk all centrists. We're gonna primary them, and if we can't, but you lose to a Republican, that's your problem," but right now, there are more of them in congress than there are of you, so if that's how you want to play the game, it's going to take a very long time to get what you want.
Doesn't sound very 'accelerationist' to me.
So wait.
Yall really gonna waste any power we have on running referendum races on a floor vote two years from now? Like we're just getting these Dems to accept marijuana legalization, $15 min wage, and cancelling student debt. These the same muthafukkas that tried to blame black protestors during the summer for their struggles during the general. So we're at a completely different place to even validate a strategy like that.
Yeah let's primary every centrist. But shyt has to be targeted and precise because there is little room for error. I swear on my life Jimmy Dore and some of these others on the left gasing this shyt is gonna get us fukked breh
Yall really gonna waste any power we have on running referendum races on a floor vote two years from now? Like we're just getting these Dems to accept marijuana legalization, $15 min wage, and cancelling student debt. These the same muthafukkas that tried to blame black protestors during the summer for their struggles during the general. So we're at a completely different place to even validate a strategy like that.
Yeah let's primary every centrist. But shyt has to be targeted and precise because there is little room for error. I swear on my life Jimmy Dore and some of these others on the left gasing this shyt is gonna get us fukked breh
Like I said Republicans will always celebrate minor victories because they know the bigger picture at hand. For some reason it’s progressive that need everything to happen right now with no planning no structure or no strategy.So wait.
Yall really gonna waste any power we have on running referendum races on a floor vote two years from now? Like we're just getting these Dems to accept marijuana legalization, $15 min wage, and cancelling student debt. These the same muthafukkas that tried to blame black protestors during the summer for their struggles during the general. So we're at a completely different place to even validate a strategy like that.
Yeah let's primary every centrist. But shyt has to be targeted and precise because there is little room for error. I swear on my life Jimmy Dore and some of these others on the left gasing this shyt is gonna get us fukked breh
I mean I think people will go back to being jaded cause when you lose and lose, that happens. And US politics, big stuff that's good doesn't happen that often without years of buildup.
Their end game is to start a 3rd party. More power to you if you feel you can accomplish more than the Green Party.
Jayapal's bill is more detailed than Conyers' bill and Bernie's bill. Its very good. But it isn't clear just like those two bills on how it is funded and I hated the whole 'how ya gonna pay for it' BS in the primary. But with healthcare, you gotta figure it out and if you have unpopular tax increases or provider cuts, you gotta package it in with the good stuff the polls tell us that people like.
M4A movement doesn't dabble in that.
She’s taking her ball and going home 
A slack?!
this is activism now?
A slack?!
this is activism now?
I'm not going to bother reading what I imagine are 20 pages of largely misinformed back and forth.
But I will say that Dore is a clown, trying to force out Pelosi is a net-positive, but doing so for a M4A vote that would get killed in the House, and even if it passed the House, would killed in the Seante - is foolishness.
I also find the unique targeting of just AOC - as opposed to the large number of centrist Dems who claimed they supported a form of Medicare for all just last year - to be a clear example of how unbelievably stupid some of the Left-wing pundits are.
And while I enjoy Briahna Joy Gray 95% of the time, this is a stupid hill to die on, especially with the heat being directed at just a few people - as opposed to the majority of Congress that is actually enabling our current failed health system.
But I will say that Dore is a clown, trying to force out Pelosi is a net-positive, but doing so for a M4A vote that would get killed in the House, and even if it passed the House, would killed in the Seante - is foolishness.
I also find the unique targeting of just AOC - as opposed to the large number of centrist Dems who claimed they supported a form of Medicare for all just last year - to be a clear example of how unbelievably stupid some of the Left-wing pundits are.
And while I enjoy Briahna Joy Gray 95% of the time, this is a stupid hill to die on, especially with the heat being directed at just a few people - as opposed to the majority of Congress that is actually enabling our current failed health system.
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This is why I say to your face your a full of shyt liar
you actively shyt on Warrens healthcare plan. And for what? To you to realize why we were saying over a year ago?
you are shameless bruh. Good fukking grief.