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Power isn't doing a doomed stunt vote, power is removing Richie Neal from Chair of Ways and Means. If M4A's best chance of passing is right now, it's never going to pass and we all might as well give up on it.
AOC & Congressional Progressives push back on Jimmy Dore and premature Medicare For All floor votes
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AnonymityX1000
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The difference.
When Republicans had the majority in the House they repealed Obamacare 30something times with no hope it would pass the Senate. It was strictly and exercise to show their base they are fighting for them
Democrats have the House and won't put Medicare for All up for a vote once. They are going out of their way to infuriate their base. 87% of Democrats want Medicare for All and that's not good enough to even do something symbolically?
The game is rigged, the two party system is the Harlem Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals and the Dems are very aware they are the Generals.
When Republicans had the majority in the House they repealed Obamacare 30something times with no hope it would pass the Senate. It was strictly and exercise to show their base they are fighting for them
Democrats have the House and won't put Medicare for All up for a vote once. They are going out of their way to infuriate their base. 87% of Democrats want Medicare for All and that's not good enough to even do something symbolically?
The game is rigged, the two party system is the Harlem Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals and the Dems are very aware they are the Generals.
It's not about it being the absolute best chance of passing M4A, you could pull the same tactic with a number of issues. it's about getting people ON RECORD that they're willing to solicit votes on the merit of a popular policy and MUCH NEEDED policy in the middle of a fukking pandemic but not willing to actually vote for it. Put them on blast and primary them for someone who's really bout it. Letting them "co-sponsor" shyt just to toss it aside when it's no longer advantageous is WEAK shyt and only serves to diminish the faith that people are already losing in spades when it comes to feeling like someone is actually fighting as hard as we would if we had the status/platform.
"Progressives" are already hated, laughed at and being called 'terrorists', I guess that means treat more lightly in regards to getting/exercising power.
Thing is, even when these people vote against it, they won't lose their primary to a progressive. Its not happening en masse.
Moderate Dems are very clear on their opposition to M4A. As is the GOP. They're proud of it. And the Dems against it will say that M4A means the public option or a buy-in, or the Medicare for America, or the Australian system or Peter Stark's old AmeriCare bill, etc. Which are all btw, superior to our shiddy system right now and quite frankly should have been passed in Carter's administration. But I digress..
Progressives don't have that power on this issue. Even with public support. If M4A movement can't motivate voters or raise big money in a D+12 district against the guy who biggest accomplishment of the past 4 years is protecting the ability of private equity doctor groups to surprise bill people then it can't do anything political. Direct action in the streets, workplaces, at hospitals, in doctor's offices, at drug companies, are the only thing I can think of to attack the public persuasion battle tangibly rather than top line poll numbers.
People like Mark Pocan and AOC will say let's get the cosponsor list closer to the magic number of 218 rather than lose a floor vote 315 to 120 in February 2021 and have the headlines say it can never happen again, panels on CNN/MSNBC touting how it will be impossible to ever pass it, the insurance lobby, hospital lobby, AMA, pharma lobby all advertising on the victory against M4A, etc, and people being jaded.
I think they have merit to their thinking. The Nurses feel that way. As do labor who support M4A.
Agreed, but these are our 'leaders', as in the ones the bulk of the people are going to look to for cues as to how to move. If this is gonna be the response every time someone proposes they lead by example, the direct action that people resort to will be completely unorganized or violent in nature.
Oh the backpedaling would make prime Deion sanders proud in here
I'm seeing a lot of calls for the incrementalism they yelled at Obama for.
AquaCityBoy
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Why would anyone take this guy seriously?
Jimmy Dore thinks people care enough about M4A that making them get on record as not supporting M4A will make them lose reelection. It's just not that pressing of an issue for the average person who has employer based healthcare. It just is what it is.
I'm a progressive, but these online hacks need to pull their heads out of their asses. Truth is most Americans that vote don't want to risk stability for fundamental change. Even if the change will create a better system. Change will result in birth pains and these reliable voters have mortgages, 401Ks and steady jobs.
The Dem party rejected Bernie twice and he was offering way more than Hillary or Biden ever did. Sometimes it is what it is.
Yes, you should push for progressive policies and hope the public builds an appetite for implementing those polices, but please hop off your own dikk. Jimmy Dore must think anyone outside of his subscribers cares what he has to say.
I'm a progressive, but these online hacks need to pull their heads out of their asses. Truth is most Americans that vote don't want to risk stability for fundamental change. Even if the change will create a better system. Change will result in birth pains and these reliable voters have mortgages, 401Ks and steady jobs.
The Dem party rejected Bernie twice and he was offering way more than Hillary or Biden ever did. Sometimes it is what it is.
Yes, you should push for progressive policies and hope the public builds an appetite for implementing those polices, but please hop off your own dikk. Jimmy Dore must think anyone outside of his subscribers cares what he has to say.
The healthcare system is so corrupt that if you attack say, two things... drug prices and surprise billing, it'll be just as consequential as the rules changes and Medicaid expansion under the ACA was
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AnonymityX1000
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I saw a clip of San promoting Jimmy's idea. Is he on some 'nevermind' shyt now?
Like he seriously is attempting to push all of the problems on AOC. She has her faults but JFC what an insufferable fukking whitey