Anyone Who Agrees With Erykah Badu Is An Idiot

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I am not so sure about that. I have heard brehs on here sympathize with dudes who assaulted women for not accepting their advances, or "disrespectfully" rejecting them. Quite a few brehs on here joke about rape as well.
True true, the Coli is a pretty fukked up place and I wouldn't be surprised at that going on here at all. I should have spoken for myself.

The tips aren't effective.

Google Answers: Statistics: Rape cases & how the clothes of the victim is blamed?

Sexual Violence Myths: Provocative Clothing Is A Risk Factor - ConsentEd

The talk of provocative clothing prompting sexual assault is just a distraction and a way to blame women for getting raped/assaulted, as well as avoid the elephant in the room, which is the discussion about what causes men to commit these crimes in the first place. All these people claim to be concerned about the women but never want to discuss what causes rapists to rape... they just accept it as a given that isn't to be discussed or examined.
Yeah I'm familiar with these stats, which is why the whole "what was she wearing" or "she was asking for it" line of reasoning is inherently flawed. But I do think the "covering up to mitigate sexual assault" argument is an honest assumption people make, even if it is wrong, because it intuitively makes sense to most people. Not many people are criminal psychologists. Most people consider rape/sexual assault as being an extreme extension of natural arousal, so cutting down the signs that engage natural arousal should reduce the risk of a rapist/assaulter going after you. I think that's the internal logic at play here. But it is flawed, because a lot of the dynamic between the rapist and his victim is based on power, not conventional arousal.

Obviously we live in a patriarchal society, so that informs a lot of our ugly preconceived notions w/r/t women and their sexuality, but even parents are saying this, so I don't think this whole topic can all be reduced to misogyny or hatred of the female victim. I do think there needs to be more social programming done with boys so as to alter whatever latent and systemic beliefs that can lead to rape/sexual assault. Even if that wouldn't erase the problem and create a society with no rapes or sexual assaults, it would hopefully reduce them. I honestly don't know what causes men to rape or go past socially prescribed bounds to harass women.

All that being said, I still think there is room for modesty in this discussion. What Erykah was discussing wasn't criminal assaults/rapes, it was general inter-gender relations and social decorum. We have to reckon with our biological imperatives. At the risk of sounding like a gross creep, a fully developed 16 or 17 year old is not really much different physically from a fully developed 19 year old. In fact, for the entirety of human history up until last century, they were deemed fair game. We're on the extreme end of life span, with the oldest children in human history. Biology isn't in lockstep with social rules. Does this mean a teacher should be allowed to pursue his 16 year old student? Of course not, for a host of reasons. But pretending like only a pervert would be attracted to a fully developed 16 year old is silly. Pretending like a 16 year old boy wouldn't be attracted to a 16 year old girl is even more ludicrous. That attraction is often enhanced by our presentation and clothing. Saying girls and boys should be able to wear whatever they want without being sexualized is ignorant to me. Assaulted, yes. Sexualized, :ld:. Sexualization is more benign and controllable than assault. This shouldn't just be an issue for the girls to deal with either. Social rules should be enforcing these boundaries.
 

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Of course clothing sends a message. But that doesn't give anyone the right to disrespect or assault anybody. Should CACs be able to call us thugs for dressing a certain way? Are you OK with cops violating black mens' rights for "fitting a description"? What's the difference?

..... You srs with this comparison? :aicmon:




A cac who calls a black man a thug can literally be wearing the exact same outfit and no one will say anything about it.
Believe black people get called thugs for wearing hoodies and not because of the color of their skin brehs :heh:
shyt has nothing to do with how we dress, hell I've been called a thug multiple times before:camby:




Cops violate black mens rights for fitting the description of being black. Has nothing to do with how we dress or act.
Remember James Blake :sas1:



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Look at those thuggish clothes :francis:



Terrible analogy fam, our skin color isn't a choice
 

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Same thing a man gets out of walking on the beach with his shirt off if he's in shape, stunting in a nice car, or in a breakdancing competition for nothing but a trophy or whatever.

Humans are social animals that like attention, and do things to get it. Humans also like to feel good about themselves, and getting positive feedback from the outside world for something like one's physical appearance is a normal thing :yeshrug: These are not complicated concepts.

Then I would have to make a simple decision:

What is more important to me...:
- The feeling of getting attention
- The creepy and unwanted advances I get

In the real world, you cannot control how people react to you, only what you do in response to that. I cant walk around naked and say to the world "I only want :ohhh: reactions, no :shaq:"


Its just not realistic.


If walking around the beach with no shirt would lead to an undesirable amount of attention... I would wear a shirt :yeshrug:
 

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In the real world, you cannot control how people react to you, only what you do in response to that.


exactly

too many people disagreeing with Erykah are completely forgetting this

they want to say we cant police women's bodies (which we cant), but you can't police someone's thoughts either

no matter how disgusting it may be, fantasizing of having sex with underage children is not a crime

far too many liberals/progressives want to control and police people's thoughts. theyre bringing utopian ideals into this convo when the US the furthest thing from a utopia.
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exactly

too many people disagreeing with Erykah are completely forgetting this

they want to say we cant police women's bodies (which we cant), but you can't police someone's thoughts either

no matter how disgusting it may be, fantasizing of having sex with underage children is not a crime

far too many liberals/progressives want to control and police people's thoughts. theyre bringing utopian ideals into this convo when the US the furthest thing from a utopia.
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The bolded is so true.

In a perfect society, women can walk around naked and not worry about any extra sexual advances from men.
But when I become a parent, if I tell my daughter to cover up, i'm not giving a pass to rapist, I'm trying to lessen the bullshyt that she will have to deal with from certain men.

But whatever breh, some people are rooted in this idea that we live in a world that is just a few conversations away from perfection.

"Just teach your sons not to rape and there will be no rape" Yeah... cuz fathers are out there teaching their kids to rape. That's where it all comes from...:stopitslime:
 

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You can't protect people by giving them a false sense of reality.
The fact is a woman can't dress the way she wants and not face issue.
You also don't conform to a reality that doesn't benefit you. Should we, as black people, just give up and excuse situations like Treyvon Martin by saying, "the reality is you can't dress in a hoodie because racist people might shoot and kill you." Do we conform to that reality, or do we fight injustice and continue to criticize this white supremacist society that we live in? Things like sexism and racism are relative in this white supremacist patriarchal society that we all live, and function under. So how far do we take this attitude that you, and others here, have towards how women should and shouldn't dress?
 

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The bolded is so true.

In a perfect society, women can walk around naked and not worry about any extra sexual advances from men.
But when I become a parent, if I tell my daughter to cover up, i'm not giving a pass to rapist, I'm trying to lessen the bullshyt that she will have to deal with from certain men.

But whatever breh, some people are rooted in this idea that we live in a world that is just a few conversations away from perfection.

"Just teach your sons not to rape and there will be no rape" Yeah... cuz fathers are out there teaching their kids to rape. That's where it all comes from...:stopitslime:
These women are so delusional and jaded with their idealistic views on the world :mjlol: Just shows how much they need a reality check


"People shouldn't steal" :troll:


"People shouldn't kill" :troll:


" I'm gonna leave my new car unlocked because stealing is wrong, even though there's thieves out there :lupe:, we just have to tell them stealing is wrong" :troll:








:comeon:
 

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So what do you think when you see someone "dressed like a hoe"...and she's 15, and walking into Algebra class?

A 15 year old boy sure gonna concentrate on his math problems and not the 15 year old girl in front of him with her booty hanging out. :upsetfavre: Let's be practical. Let's not get dumb because of a preconceived notion of how the world "should" be.
 

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The bolded is so true.

In a perfect society, women can walk around naked and not worry about any extra sexual advances from men.
But when I become a parent, if I tell my daughter to cover up, i'm not giving a pass to rapist, I'm trying to lessen the bullshyt that she will have to deal with from certain men.

But whatever breh, some people are rooted in this idea that we live in a world that is just a few conversations away from perfection.

"Just teach your sons not to rape and there will be no rape" Yeah... cuz fathers are out there teaching their kids to rape. That's where it all comes from...:stopitslime:
But what if you have a daughter who dresses conservatively, and she still gets sexually harassed/raped? What then? Clothes aren't some type of magical guard against rape. This issue isn't how much or how little a woman is wearing. This issue it the entitlement some men have towards women and their bodies. This issue will exist no matter how conservatively your future daughter dresses. Thats the point OP is trying to make. And NO fathers aren't teaching their kids to rape, but something in this society encourages us to always put the blame on women when it comes to their issues. Even when they have no control over the issues they have to deal with. Its like when Treyvon Martin got shot, and people were saying, "well if he had pulled up his pants maybe he wouldn't have gotten shot." How he was dressed is a side issue, and a non-issue when discussing racial injustice.
 

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But what if you have a daughter who dresses conservatively, and she still gets sexually harassed/raped? What then? Clothes aren't some type of magical guard against rape. This issue isn't how much or how little a woman is wearing. This issue it the entitlement some men have towards women and their bodies. This issue will exist no matter how conservatively your future daughter dresses. Thats the point OP is trying to make. And NO fathers aren't teaching their kids to rape, but something in this society encourages us to always put the blame on women when it comes to their issues. Even when they have no control over the issues they have to deal with. Its like when Treyvon Martin got shot, and people were saying, "well if he had pulled up his pants maybe he wouldn't have gotten shot." How he was dressed is a side issue, and a non-issue when discussing racial injustice.

Your questions are presuming that stated I that only women who dress provocatively get raped.
Point me to where I said that?
I specifically said to deal with less unwanted bullshyt from men.


I live in the real world, I know that there are some uncontrollable factors when it comes to rape.
And I didn't put the blame on women, what hte fukk are you talking about???????. :dahell:




Did you even read my post or is this a cookie cutter response you are just hitting reply with?:mindblown:
And the hoodie had nothing to do with Trayvon getting killed. Anyone who believes is another success story for the brainwashing that cac media engages in everyday. Trayvon could have been wearing a cardigan and still gotten murdered.



Read my posts fully before replying to me breh:rudy:
 

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I don't know about you but I don't want my theoretical teenage son in an environment where he can casually look up a girls dress, he ain't gonna learn shyt.:beli: Let's keep it all the way real, it is disruptive to the learning environment. There's no positives whatsoever about not adhering to a dress code , other than some people feeling personally validated. If you think this is an "L" against the patriarchy. :banderas: You got to put your personal feelings aside and look at the bigger picture.

 
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Trayvon could have been wearing a cardigan and still gotten murdered.

Thats my (and OP's) point. Clothes are a non-issue when we talk about sexual harassment. I've been reading about this story on twitter, and other websites and have been listening to women talk about their experiences with being sexually harassed even while dressed conservatively. It has to do with women's bodies and how they are over sexualized in the media. Not the clothing covering their bodies. Thats my point. You said you would have your daughter dress a certain way (putting the onus on her) to "lessen" the bullshyt she will have to deal with from certain men, and I'm telling you that in this patriarchal society where women's bodies are over sexualized, and viewed as property up for grabs, that its not going to matter how much or how little your daughter has on. She might still have to put up with bullshyt from certain men. So the issue still exists.
 
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