Anyone else successfully learn a new language? (OFFICIAL COLI LANGUAGE THREAD)

[dennis roadman]

Isnt Kriolu now considered a seperate language like Haitian Creole

The word creole in linguistics means an evolved and codified mixture of more than one language. So yeah and no

There was a push a while back to consider the language of Brazil a creole too

 

[BigMan]

The word creole in linguistics means an evolved and codified mixture of more than one language. So yeah and no

There was a push a while back to consider the language of Brazil a creole too

Is Brazilian Portuguese really that different thsn Euro Portuguese?

 

[dennis roadman]

Is Brazilian Portuguese really that different thsn Euro Portuguese?

In general, yeah

Rare use of the 2nd person, a lot of indigenous influence on vocabulary, and grammar construction

There's now a standardized Portuguese agreed to by all lusophone countries but nobody really pays attention to it

 

[BigMan]

In general, yeah

Rare use of the 2nd person, a lot of indigenous influence on vocabulary, and grammar construction

There's now a standardized Portuguese agreed to by all lusophone countries but nobody really pays attention to it

now i'm not a Portuguese speaker but from what i gathered/googled, the differences aren't great enough to be considered a creole, just a dialect

 

[dennis roadman]

now i'm not a Portuguese speaker but from what i gathered/googled, the differences aren't great enough to be considered a creole, just a dialect

you'd say the same about north american english and australian english, but when you put someone from the backwaters of the bayou in a room with some dude who sees more dingoes than humans, you'd wonder if they even speak the same language

linguistics is a soft science in many respects, especially sociolinguistics. the pidgin-creole-language evolution is not a straight path and there will always be disagreements among experts

 

[BigMan]

you'd say the same about north american english and australian english, but when you put someone from the backwaters of the bayou in a room with some dude who sees more dingoes than humans, you'd wonder if they even speak the same language

linguistics is a soft science in many respects, especially sociolinguistics. the pidgin-creole-language evolution is not a straight path and there will always be disagreements among experts

true. my fam is Caribbean so my knowledge of the creole/lingusitics issue is framed by the languages spoken there. it seems that the most important factor is grammar in determing if a language is a creole. in dialects/varieties the main difference is pronounciation and slang

 

[intruder]

Most of y'all need to knock it off..

Talking bout i speak 2,3 & 4 languages

Unless you can fully read, write, understand and talk in said language your ass don't know the language.. And you damn sure aint fluent..

I fluently speak, read, write in 3 languages.

I'm so-so in speaking, reading, and writing a 4th (spanish)

When you read my english all over the board just remember that as good as i sound i didn't speak a word of english until I was 16
And i think i can run laps around some of the clowns in here who grew up with it

 

[intruder]

Well, I think dialect vs language is mostly political. Take Arabic for example, there's serveral different dialects which differ in various ways from each other but they're considered as dialects rather than separate languages. shyt is more flagrant in China where they consider them different dialects when they're much different than another.

On the flipside, Spanish & Portuguese are somewhat close (might be wrong) but are considered different languages.

But Haitian creole is very different from french. It has evolved into its own language as a whole.

Sure the vocabulary is french-based but it's far from the same language. Ask a french person to listen to a creole speaker and they will not understand everything. They will be able to pick out some words here and there and put 2 and 2 together but as far as understanding everything thing they will not.

I's like asking an American and a British person to understand Jamaican Patois. Just because you can hear and understand a few words here and there doesnt mean you fully understand. If that was the case i could say i understood Italian and Portuguese. But i do NOT

 

[intruder]

Ou enerve et pa vre?

You used the french spelling on these two words

From my understanding of French, I'd say this mean "You're mad, aren't you?"

You sure you didn't use Google Translate?

 

[BigMan]

But Haitian creole is very different from french. It has evolved into its own language as a whole.

Sure the vocabulary is french-based but it's far from the same language. Ask a french person to listen to a creole speaker and they will not understand everything. They will be able to pick out some words here and there and put 2 and 2 together but as far as understanding everything thing they will not.

I's like asking an American and a British person to understand Jamaican Patois. Just because you can hear and understand a few words here and there doesnt mean you fully understand. If that was the case i could say i understood Italian and Portuguese. But i do NOT

Alot of Brits, Canadians and US Americans can understand patois tho which is why im not completely convinced patois is a separate language

 

[12345677]

I speak, read, and write in English and Spanish fluently. I speak and read Catalan at an intermediate level, but am conversational enough to handle day to day tasks in Catalan. I wanna learn French and Portuguese next tho.

 

[Fatboi1]

You used the french spelling on these two words

You sure you didn't use Google Translate?

Ou fache.
Ou mauve
Ou fache nan kilot ou.

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

But Haitian creole is very different from french. It has evolved into its own language as a whole.

Sure the vocabulary is french-based but it's far from the same language. Ask a french person to listen to a creole speaker and they will not understand everything. They will be able to pick out some words here and there and put 2 and 2 together but as far as understanding everything thing they will not.

I's like asking an American and a British person to understand Jamaican Patois. Just because you can hear and understand a few words here and there doesnt mean you fully understand. If that was the case i could say i understood Italian and Portuguese. But i do NOT

Well, there's siliarities I noticed between Haitian Creole & French. I understand if you think it's a diff language but it's def inspired from French. Take Arabic for example: the maghreb dialect (Morocco & Algeria) has a lot of loan words from Berber & French (and some Spanish) and some words that middle easterners can't understand at all, but they're considered dialects rather than separate languages. Same with Spanish where you'll find some differences between words from Peru, Mexico or Spain.

You sure you didn't use Google Translate?

Didn't even know there was Google Translate for Haitian creole Nah, those words come French, which I understand fluently

 

[intruder]

Alot of Brits, Canadians and US Americans can understand patois tho which is why im not completely convinced patois is a separate language

Ou fache.
Ou mauve
Ou fache nan kilot ou.

Ou move

And in kreol it what you said before could be spelled "ou enève"

 

[intruder]

Alot of Brits, Canadians and US Americans can understand patois tho which is why im not completely convinced patois is a separate language

a lot but its not that many. The ones you are referring to are those who are familiar and have been around Jamaicans and over time have learned the nuances a bit. But the average American from random place in America will not understand patois