anyone else confused by black christians?

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I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ANY DINOSAURS AT THE FIRST WRESTLEMANIA, BROTHER! I THINK VINCE MCMAHON MADE THEM UP SO PEOPLE WILL THINK SLAMMING ANDRE THE GIANT WASN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL, DUDE!
 

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why follow any religion though? just treat people nice, be a positive individual. :manny:

Why do we have to treat people nice, be a positive individual though? Define objectively what is treating people nice, being a positive individual? I just find it funny Christians get shamed when they throw blanket statements but others don't get questioned...

If we don't follow religion why treat people nice, be a positive individual? Animals sure don't. :yeshrug

Because it is the right thing to do? What is right and wrong? If you don't have an objective reason don't tell people to do something. :ld:
 

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Why do we have to treat people nice, be a positive individual though? Define objectively what is treating people nice, being a positive individual? I just find it funny Christians get shamed when they throw blanket statements but others don't get questioned...

If we don't follow religion why treat people nice, be a positive individual. Animals sure don't.:yeshrug

Because it is the right thing to do? Why objectively? If you don't have an objective reason we have to don't tell people to do something. :ld:

We Arent Animals Bruh, We're Civilized Human Beings, You Can Have Rules Without Religion

 

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We Arent Animals Bruh, We're Civilized Human Beings, You Can Have Rules Without Religion


You can't have an objective moral standard without an objective moral standard giver. Who is to tell anyone what is right or wrong? My right may be your wrong and vice versa.

What/Who makes us 'civilized' intrinsically? :manny:
 

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You can't have an objective moral standard without an objective moral standard giver. Who is to tell anyone what is right or wrong? My right may be your wrong and vice versa.

What/Who makes us 'civilized' intrinsically? :manny:

Morals existed before religion, and they will continue to exist after religion.

Most things we view as morals stem from the idea of self preservation and success of our species. Thou shall not kill, because societies work better when people are working together not killing everybody, if we all went out killing each other the human species would go extinct. Thou shall not steal because if everyone was out stealing then none of us would have anything to steal. Religion or the bible didn't come up with morals, they just framed them in a more compelling controllable way.
 

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You can't have an objective moral standard without an objective moral standard giver. Who is to tell anyone what is right or wrong? My right may be your wrong and vice versa.

What/Who makes us 'civilized' intrinsically? :manny:




Just So You Know, Im Not Athiest, Im Not Against The Idea Of God, But I Dont Agree With The Idea Of Religion

With That Said The Moral Standard Giver Is Whatever Society We Live In

Just Like Breathing The Air, And Drinking The Water, We Adjust To The Social Norms

Im More Afraid To Kill Someone Cuz Of Going To Jail Then I Am Because Its A Commandment In the Bible

Now If I Lived If A Hut, In Some Poor Country And I Never Heard Of God And Religion And The Bible And I Killed Another Guy In A Fight In Our Village Am I Damned To Afterlife Of Hell? Even Though This Idea Of God And Religion Never Existed In My World? Am I Supposed To Pray To Jesus Even Though I Dont Even Know WTF A Book Looks Like? Even Though The Idea Of Even Something As Simple As PAPER Doesnt Exist To Me?
 

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Morals existed before religion, and they will continue to exist after religion.

Most things we view as morals stem from the idea of self preservation and success of our species. Thou shall not kill, because societies work better when people are working together not killing everybody, if we all went out killing each other the human species would go extinct. Thou shall not steal because if everyone was out stealing then none of us would have anything to steal. Religion or the bible didn't come up with morals, they just framed them in a more compelling controllable way.

Still doesn't answer my objective moral question.

Many societies worked well with a scapegoat that the ruler wanted killed. Many societies have prospered with the ruler stealing anything he wanted. Good morals doesn't always = prosperous civilizations. But what are 'good' morals anyway. :ehh:
 

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Still doesn't answer my objective moral question.

Many societies worked well with a scapegoat that the ruler wanted killed. Many societies have prospered with the ruler stealing anything he wanted. Good morals doesn't always = prosperous civilizations. But what are 'good' morals anyway. :ehh:
:whoa: man my brain is tired from doing proofs
 

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watching katt williams standup last night, couldn't believe he was railing against evolution while praising "black jesus" :dwillhuh:

how many of y'all don't believe in the theory of evolution? listening to an audience full of blacks cheer against science has me a bit shook.

Scared of what friend?
 

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Just So You Know, Im Not Athiest, Im Not Against The Idea Of God, But I Dont Agree With The Idea Of Religion

With That Said The Moral Standard Giver Is Whatever Society We Live In


So you believe in subjective morality. Why not just say that in the first place?

So do you believe that the Nuremberg Trials were unfair? Just curious. :ehh:
 

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Im Gonna Have To Read More Into That, Im Not Familiar Enough To Comment

Basically post World War 2 Nazi trials. Allies punished Nazi's who at that time believed in their ideology and thought it was good. Obviously the Allies (or the World for that matter) were not thinking subjectively in their morality. They thought of an objective good. Which I believed realistically most of us do.:smugbiden:
 

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We always worried about what somebody else is doing. No wonder our people as a whole have identity issues and low self esteem. We can't define ourselves because everytime we turn around someone is trying to tell us what we're supposed to be
 

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We always worried about what somebody else is doing. No wonder our people as a whole have identity issues and low self esteem. We can't define ourselves because everytime we turn around someone is trying to tell us what we're supposed to be

as an agnostic, that's rich.
 
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