Anyone doubting the legitimacy of evolution NEEDS to watch the second episode of COSMOS

[OneManGang]

The thing about "coming from nothing" is that they are still trying to figure out if multiple universes and dimensions of time and space are real. At face value it seems as if the theory is saying it came from nothing but the theory gets deeper into connecting it to other ideas like multiple universes or dimensions meaning that it wouldn't come from nothing but it would come from some warp in space time possibly. I don't know the fine details about most of this stuff but just keep in mind it's not really saying it "comes from nothing" because the theory connects with others that together fully explain the situation about what happens when stars collapse and space/time is bent or warped.

For example hypothetically when a star collapses it could burst into another universe of space/time which in that universe would appear as a big bang coming from nothing.

I know what you are talking about. At this point however we are delving into complex theoretical astrophysics and math that still doesn't come close to explaining it fully.

 

[OneManGang]

Like I said to the other guy in this thread:

There are arguments that are already being addressed and HAVE been resolved that you're not aware of, yet you're claiming that such things haven't been addressed.

Like what? What did I say hasnt been addressed? I want receipts.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I know what you are talking about. At this point however we are delving into complex theoretical astrophysics and math that still doesn't come close to explaining it fully.

but this does more to explain anything than you just moving the goalposts on your deity.

 

[Real]

Ppl still don't realize evolution is a fact in 2014?

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

You do realize that I don't disagree with evolution right? It's a joke. Ya'll try too hard.

hard to tell sarcasm from people who didn't pass high school science in this thread I guess

 

[OneManGang]

but this does more to explain anything than you just moving the goalposts on your deity.

Why do you feel like I am in competition with modern physics and math to be correct? Are you that desperate for an argument? I didn't move any goalposts, I am knowledgeable on most subjects of the day, and you just seem angry for no reason. @Mephistopheles @Serious @Broletariat Am i crazy here? Please read through the last 2 pages of my discussin with @Napoleon and let me know If i'm the crazy one here... I mean, im the one that told you that stars dont create hydrogen. You tried to give me a page on wiki about stellar nucleosynthesis like you were kicking knowledge. Why do my beliefs disturb you so much? Is it that you have displayed a serious inability to understand them?

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Why do you feel like I am in competition with modern physics and math to be correct? Are you that desperate for an argument? I didn't move any goalposts, I am knowledgeable on most subjects of the day, and you just seem angry for no reason. @Mephistopheles @Serious @Broletariat Am i crazy here? Please read through the last 2 pages of my discussin with @Napoleon and let me know If i'm the crazy one here... I mean, im the one that told you that stars dont create hydrogen. You tried to give me a page on wiki about stellar nucleosynthesis like you were kicking knowledge. Why do my beliefs disturb you so much? Is it that you have displayed a serious inability to understand them?

I like @Napoleon and he's clearly knowledgeable, but he could clearly use a blunt breh. This whole shyt shouldn't be this serious. It's the fukking internet, the coli ffs. This is the most casual of websites.

 

[Serious]

Ppl still don't realize evolution is a fact in 2014?

you living under a rock or something:
http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...schools_undermining_the_charter_movement.html

 

[Poppa_Dock]

I know what you are talking about. At this point however we are delving into complex theoretical astrophysics and math that still doesn't come close to explaining it fully.

Im just saying though, look at anybody who is against the idea of a big bang theory and the usual tounge in cheek remark is ".....at the end of the day, how can something come from nothing" but the idea isn't that it comes from nothing.

 

[OneManGang]

Im just saying though, look at anybody who is against the idea of a big bang theory and the usual tounge in cheek remark is ".....at the end of the day, how can something come from nothing" but the idea isn't that it comes from nothing.

The only way we will ever know is to observe another big bang. Until we do that, everything is just hypotheses which cannot be tested. Not saying they wont have merit, but this guy sums it best. http://www.askamathematician.com/20...ang-expansion-where-did-the-energy-come-from/

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Why do you feel like I am in competition with modern physics and math to be correct? Are you that desperate for an argument? I didn't move any goalposts, I am knowledgeable on most subjects of the day, and you just seem angry for no reason. @Mephistopheles @Serious @Broletariat Am i crazy here? Please read through the last 2 pages of my discussin with @Napoleon and let me know If i'm the crazy one here... I mean, im the one that told you that stars dont create hydrogen. You tried to give me a page on wiki about stellar nucleosynthesis like you were kicking knowledge. Why do my beliefs disturb you so much? Is it that you have displayed a serious inability to understand them?

On a matter of sheer epistemology, you're moving the goalposts.

If you just admitted that you want to believe in a god because it comforts you, rather than saying you have evidence to do so. We could be done here.

Rather, you want to make it seem like you have some sort of reasonability for your beliefs.

Case-in-point: 150 years ago, you wouldn't be talking about "god" being the "creator of the universe and being behind the big bang"...you'd just stop at wherever cosmology was at that point.

Thats whats disingeniuous about your argument.

When science advances, your god and what it is shifts.

Thats not a definition.

Thats a reaction.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The only way we will ever know is to observe another big bang. Until we do that, everything is just hypotheses which cannot be tested. Not saying they wont have merit, but this guy sums it best. http://www.askamathematician.com/20...ang-expansion-where-did-the-energy-come-from/

WHICH is why I take direct umbrage with your stance.

Your "god" rests safely in a tenet thats very hard to prove only because thats the only place it has left to go.

Thats NOT a strength of an argument i'd want to align myself with.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@OneManGang think of it this way:

When we're searching for that missing malaysian airline, closing in on an area where you think that plane resides DOES NOT mean that its actually there.

You either find it or you don't.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I like @Napoleon and he's clearly knowledgeable, but he could clearly use a blunt breh. This whole shyt shouldn't be this serious. It's the fukking internet, the coli ffs. This is the most casual of websites.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Why do you feel like I am in competition with modern physics and math to be correct? Are you that desperate for an argument? I didn't move any goalposts, I am knowledgeable on most subjects of the day, and you just seem angry for no reason. @Mephistopheles @Serious @Broletariat Am i crazy here? Please read through the last 2 pages of my discussin with @Napoleon and let me know If i'm the crazy one here... I mean, im the one that told you that stars dont create hydrogen. You tried to give me a page on wiki about stellar nucleosynthesis like you were kicking knowledge. Why do my beliefs disturb you so much? Is it that you have displayed a serious inability to understand them?

I find no issue with your position. I think Napoleon is hung up on your usage of the word God, but your conception of God is more of simply a loosely-defined source of all, which at this point and maybe forever will be unknown; not a theological myth. I don't see anything unreasonable about that.