Andrew Yang (Former 2020 Presidential Candidate): What's his future? #YangGang :lupe:

[storyteller]

Where have you seen this?

Every interview I've heard, he said he's not using the UBI to eliminate existing SSNs.

Yang marketing it to Rubin's fans paraphrased: Instead of tearing these programs up from the roots, you use UBI to eliminate them slowly.

He addressed the SSDI only after getting called out for it.

 

[BillBanneker]

Yang marketing it to Rubin's fans paraphrased: Instead of tearing these programs up from the roots, you use UBI to eliminate them slowly.

He addressed the SSDI only after getting called out for it.

Props. I'll watch when I get a chance.

 

[StatUS]

Yang marketing it to Rubin's fans paraphrased: Instead of tearing these programs up from the roots, you use UBI to eliminate them slowly.

He addressed the SSDI only after getting called out for it.

Yang should run for the Libertarian ticket and stop with the games

 

[storyteller]

Yang should run for the Libertarian ticket and stop with the games

People get mad when he's asked about his alt-right support and I understand that. It's a good deal of trolling. But the reason some right leaning people really do like him is because this version of UBI fits very closely (not exactly and I should stress that to be fair) with the Libertarian style suggestions. The danger there is that other legislators can set to work changing it in ways that could really be harmful and it won't be all that different from what's already in the text.

On top of that, every person that has to choose the cash and leave behind a program puts that program more at risk to be targeted. Whether that's Yang's goal or not, it's undeniable that the programs his model will make you opt out of in order to receive the dividend will be harmed by that.

I'm a UBI head, I LIKE that he's introduced it to people. But we gotta be honest about the model he's proposing and the pitfalls in it. He'd body a libertarian debate comfortably right up until he started talking universal healthcare, but if he could slip that by to Libertarians then he'd probably run away with that ticket...the highlights from the last libertarian debate are bananas.

 

[storyteller]

Props. I'll watch when I get a chance.

It's a good lead in from Seder. The video is dated so they focus the critique afterward on SSDI threats, which isn't a worry any more. But that logic would apply to the other programs he will plan on shrinking still and that's where I find a serious issue for the model he's proposed. He could fix that, but he needs more pressure to do it before I embrace his model.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

why $1000, not $500 or $5000 a month?

the regular concerns...
Medicare for all doesn't address a fundamental desire for humans...options. Ensure that folks can join or not. Which shouldn't be a problem with people that call others fascist, but it unfortunately is
Advocating for free college, before implementing/advocating for consumer/student debt bailout is silly, especially during the innanet era

Spoiler

I'm telling it how it is when it comes to climate change, but still blurs immigrants and illegal immigrants while referring to paying taxes. Just another self serving politician

 

[StatUS]

why $1000, not $500 or $5000 a month?

the regular concerns...
Medicare for all doesn't address a fundamental desire for humans...options. Ensure that folks can join or not. Which shouldn't be a problem with people that call others fascist, but it unfortunately is
Advocating for free college, before implementing/advocating for consumer/student debt bailout is silly, especially during the innanet era

Spoiler

I'm telling it how it is when it comes to climate change, but still blurs immigrants and illegal immigrants while referring to paying taxes. Just another self serving politician

That comes down to if you believe that health care should be provided as a right as long as you are in this country or should it be given at a certain price. It's not government control because the government isn't taking over hospitals but just the insurance side. The option to choose is a fair stance but any advocate for universal health care knows that leaving private insurance involved will weaken that public option. Which is basically the intention.

 

[88m3]

grifter

 

[Shogun]

Free Public College and Universal Health care aren't pipe dreams.
Yang's UBI isn't a cure-all for any of the problems he speaks on.
He's literally pushing UBI as a way to erase the social safety net and funding it with a VAT, that's Libertarian not progressive.

After reading some of the links you’ve sent my way, I get the sense that you’ll find a reason to demonize anyone who isn’t straight socialist. And, they are pipe dreams. Sorry.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

That comes down to if you believe that health care should be provided as a right as long as you are in this country or should it be given at a certain price. It's not government control because the government isn't taking over hospitals but just the insurance side. The option to choose is a fair stance but any advocate for universal health care knows that leaving private insurance involved will weaken that public option. Which is basically the intention.

Healthcare with options should be a right for citizens, with legal residents getting access via a different tier, others get nothing
We still in a capitalist system that requires options for consumers, so why not with the insurance

 

[FAH1223]

why $1000, not $500 or $5000 a month?

the regular concerns...
Medicare for all doesn't address a fundamental desire for humans...options. Ensure that folks can join or not. Which shouldn't be a problem with people that call others fascist, but it unfortunately is
Advocating for free college, before implementing/advocating for consumer/student debt bailout is silly, especially during the innanet era

Spoiler

I'm telling it how it is when it comes to climate change, but still blurs immigrants and illegal immigrants while referring to paying taxes. Just another self serving politician

It does address options though. You have freedom of choice for doctors and hospitals unlike the system we have now where you don't have choice based on if you're in network or out of network and how much it will cost. Most people get healthcare through their employer and they have no choice on the insurance they get and employers can change it every year since costs are going up.

If you're covered from cradle to grave, you can go to who you want and not have to worry about going bankrupt or begging people on GoFundMe to pay for a procedure.

 

[StatUS]

Healthcare with options should be a right for citizens, with legal residents getting access via a different tier, others get nothing
We still in a capitalist system that requires options for consumers, so why not with the insurance

It's a belief that there shouldn't be profit in people's health. Basically everytime a Republican gets into power they're gonna strip away things like affordable care and covering pre existing conditions. Might as well put something in place that takes that middle man out the equation and focuses on health. But whomever comes out of these debates for the Dems will decide what path is taken on that front.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

It does address options though. You have freedom of choice for doctors and hospitals unlike the system we have now where you don't have choice based on if you're in network or out of network and how much it will cost. Most people get healthcare through their employer and they have no choice on the insurance they get and employers can change it every year since costs are going up.
If you're covered from cradle to grave, you can go to who you want and not have to worry about going bankrupt or begging people on GoFundMe to pay for a procedure.

option in like I want to use my employer's insurance, not government version OR I want to pay so that I could avoid the increase wait or lack of a particular service
Instead of injecting a public option while revamping the system, the candidates are prioritizing the catchy phrase of "Medicare for all" over granting a simple request like having options

It's a belief that there shouldn't be profit in people's health. Basically everytime a Republican gets into power they're gonna strip away things like affordable care and covering pre existing conditions. Might as well put something in place that takes that middle man out the equation and focuses on health. But whomever comes out of these debates for the Dems will decide what path is taken on that front.

That's the problem, depending on which Dem, you'll have a public option while revamping Obamcare OR a complete replacement of Obamacare with no options. Unnecessary extremes to secure votes, not to solve problems

 

[storyteller]

After reading some of the links you’ve sent my way, I get the sense that you’ll find a reason to demonize anyone who isn’t straight socialist. And, they are pipe dreams. Sorry.

Come on now breh, you and I both agreed in the past that the policies I support are Nordic Model Social Democracy. I just don't mind naming it Democratic Socialism since it helps remove stigmas attached to the theories and potential policies borne out of it (we've rehashed this discussion a couple of times). I've called myself a social democrat on this board more than a few times, including directly in conversation with you. I'm a big time proponent of self proclaimed capitalist Elizabeth Warren; I even acknowledged donating to Gillebrand just for one policy idea I really want to see get light. It's not even like I'm against UBI, you can find me convincing someone to keep an open mind about it at the bottom of this page.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/finland’s-two-year-basic-income-trial-did-not-spur-the-unemployed-to-work-or-earn-more-government.690630/page-2

You don't like my stance cool attack that. Explain how Yang's UBI model won't threaten the services that he's forcing people to opt out of in order to get their check. Do you believe someone giving back 300 dollars in benefits to receive their 1000 dollar UBI is getting the same exact increase in means as a person who doesn't have to give up any benefits? Where do you stand on the VAT and it's potential impact on consumers (this briefly sums up my concern: Who would bear the burden of a VAT? )?

 

[StatUS]

option in like I want to use my employer's insurance, not government version OR I want to pay so that I could avoid the increase wait or lack of a particular service
Instead of injecting a public option while revamping the system, the candidates are prioritizing the catchy phrase of "Medicare for all" over granting a simple request like having options


That's the problem, depending on which Dem, you'll have a public option while revamping Obamcare OR a complete replacement of Obamacare with no options. Unnecessary extremes to secure votes, not to solve problems

So your previous post of a right to health care with choice was just the ability to purchase from any private insurer independent from your employer?