Andrew Wiggins bringing his A-game to the Madison Square Garden tonight!

[Nick Barnes]

Opposing players shoot 40.7% FG against Jordan Clarkson NBA.com/Stats

Opposing players shoot 42.2% FG against Andrew Wiggins NBA.com/Stats





So tell me again about how elite Wiggins is already defensively

Wiggins consistently guards the opposing teams best player.

 

[Newzz]

Wiggins consistently guards the opposing teams best player.

And he's not shutting them down to be called an elite defender


It's easy to consistently guard the best wing player when the only other option is to put Kevin Martin, who plays 0 defense, on them.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Opposing players shoot 40.7% FG against Jordan Clarkson NBA.com/Stats

Opposing players shoot 42.2% FG against Andrew Wiggins NBA.com/Stats





So tell me again about how elite Wiggins is already defensively

Yeah this is the problem when you don't provide proper context - you seem to have a habit of doing this.

i) These #s are not ISO situations - they're where he's the closest defender to x-player taking a shot/guarding x-player
ii) They don't take into account who he's guarding (Wiggins guards the best guard/wing every game - Clarkson doesn't)
iii) They don't take into account help defenders
iv) They don't take into account the game situation

These are the players Wiggins has guarded/been the closest defender to players taking shots (edit - over the entirety of his rookie season) -

Afflalo holding him to 40%
Butler holding him to 36%
Wade holding him to 41%
Kobe holding him to 31%
Klay holding him to 36%
Hayward holding him to 31%
Kawhi holding him to 33%
Batum holding him to 37%
DeRozan holding him to 33%
Parsons holding him to 40%
Gay holding him to 33%
George holding him to 44%

Wiggins has guarded 35 players with double digit attempts, as the closest defender.

These are the players that Clarkson has guarded/been the closest defender to players taking shots (edit - over the entirety of his rookie season) -

Lillard, LaVine, Curry, Rondo, Jackson, D-Will, Ish Smith, Augustin, McCollum (mostly PGs)

Clarkson has only guarded 16 players with double digit attempts, as the closest defender.

edit for clarification - ISO plays this season 15/16:

In the 27 ISO situations that Wiggins has been the defender - players are shooting 26%
In the 21 ISO situations that Clarkson has been the defender - players are shooting 52%

And yet you still have to provide the proper context, because these numbers only give a general outlook on one's defensive ability (as all #s do surrounding one's defense, because you can't measure defense with just simply numbers). Probably best if you watch games before talking nonsense about Wiggins' defensive ability.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

And he's not shutting them down to be called an elite defender


It's easy to consistently guard the best wing player when the only other option is to put Kevin Martin, who plays 0 defense, on them.

You seriously need to stop talking about shyt you clearly have no knowledge of. It's cringeworthy.

 

[Newzz]

Yeah this is the problem when you don't provide proper context - you seem to have a habit of doing this.

i) These #s are not ISO situations - they're where he's the closest defender to x-player taking a shot
ii) They don't take into account who he's guarding (Wiggins guards the best guard/wing every game - Clarkson doesn't)
iii) They don't take into account help defenders
iv) They don't take into account the game situation

These are the players Wiggins has guarded/been the closest defender to players taking shots -

Afflalo holding him to 40%
Butler holding him to 36%
Wade holding him to 41%
Kobe holding him to 31%
Klay holding him to 36%
Hayward holding him to 31%
Kawhi holding him to 33%
Batum holding him to 37%
DeRozan holding him to 33%
Parsons holding him to 40%
Gay holding him to 33%
George holding him to 44%

Wiggins has guarded 35 players with double digit attempts, as the defender.

These are the players that Clarkson has guarded/been the closest defender to players taking shots -

Lillard, LaVine, Curry, Rondo, Jackson, D-Will, Ish Smith, Augustin, McCollum (mostly PGs)

Clarkson has only guarded 16 players with double digit attempts, as the defender.

In the 27 ISO situations that Wiggins has been the defender - players are shooting 26%
In the 21 ISO situations that Clarkson has been the defender - plays are shooting 52%

And yet you still have to provide the proper context, because these numbers only give a general outlook on one's defensive ability (as all #s do surrounding one's defense, because you can't measure defense with just simply numbers). Probably best if you watch games before talking nonsense about Wiggins' defensive ability.

You seriously need to stop talking about shyt you clearly have no knowledge of. It's cringeworthy.

Make posts with no references/links to show where you gathered information in 2015, and expect to debate brehs


Then, someone posts Wiggins was guarding and held Melo to 40% FG, then Jill-Scott comes and makes a long post not including Melo who Wiggins guarded


Which one is it?

 

[DetroitEWarren]

I have been watching the T Wolves all year and I just don't see any type of greatness in Wiggins. Like, not even close to it. His biggest issue is he has ABSOLUTELY no one on one handle. He can't dribble to create space for a jumper nor can he dribble to create a lane to drive.

He has some solid finishing moves pre jump at the basket once he gets to the rim defender (spin step and euro step) but he has no handle to be able to get past the on ball man. I don't think dude will ever be a 25ppg type of nikka. Doubt if he ever makes it past 21ppg

 

[Gangstar8]

nikka Okafor balling too, fukk is you talking bout

Okafors not balling you will see in a few yaers. Embiid is their last hope or ben simmons

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Make posts with no references/links to show where you gathered information in 2015, and expect to debate brehs

Make posts on players with absolutely no idea of what the fukk you're talking about because you don't watch them play, and expect a debate brehs

 

[Newzz]

Make posts on players with absolutely no idea of what the fukk you're talking about because you don't watch them play, and expect a debate brehs

You know why I referred to you as Jill-Scott? Cause you debating like a bytch right now.....and by that I mean you make up shyt/bend shyt to try and fit your agenda just like bytches do


Post "image grabs" of data/stats that don't exist in the 2016 NBA season and think nikkas wont find out brehs


nikka, the fukking Spurs haven't even PLAYED the motherfukking Minnesota Timberwolves this season, so how the fukk do you have numbers showing Kawhi Leonard as 6-18 against Wiggins' defense in the 2015-2016 season


fukk outta here nikka Im blowing on Girl Scout Cookies while watching my nikka Jameis Christ, and you trying to fukk up my high with this bullshyt?


nikka, quit disrespecting my weed and wasting my time


No wonder those "stats" you're going off of don't contain shyt against Melo.......you aint using stats from the actual fukking season we are discussing and thought you were gonna get away with it


I should put your ass on ignore for this bullshyt


Yeah, Im mad nikka....I gotta reblaze up and shyt

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You know why I referred to you as Jill-Scott? Cause you debate like a bytch.....and by that I mean you make up shyt/bend shyt to try and fit your agenda

The only agenda I have is pushing the truth.

Post "image grabs" of fake stats and think nikkas wont find out brehs

NBAsavant.com: Your Source For Advanced NBA Analytics - Wiggins 14/15 defensive season
NBAsavant.com: Your Source For Advanced NBA Analytics - Clarkson 14/15 defensive season
NBA.com/Stats - Wiggins and Clarkson's ISO defensive plays in 15/16

BUBUBUBUT THEY'RE JUST IMAGE GRABS OF FAKE STATS.

nikka, the fukking Spurs haven't even PLAYED the motherfukking Minnesota Timberwolves this season, so how the fukk do you have numbers showing Kawhi Leonard as 6-18 against Wiggins' defense in the 2015-2016 season

NBASavant update their player matchup halfway through each season - which is why I gave the numbers from last season during his rookie season (an entire season not just 20 games). The ISO numbers are from this season.

fukk outta here nikka Im blowing on Girl Scout Cookies while watching my nikka Jameis Christ, and you trying to fukk up my high with this bullshyt?


nikka, quit disrespecting my weed and wasting my time


No wonder those "stats" you're going off of don't contain shyt against Melo.......you aint using stats from the actual fukking season we are discussing and thought you were gonna get away with it

What the fukk does this have to do with Melo? I'm not the one who was talking about his defense against Melo - I'm not talking about his defense as a whole. So his defensive stats across an entire season from last year aren't indicative of the type of defender he is 20 games into this season? Like somehow he's a worse defender this season after his rookie year?

You're simple ass muhfukka.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Newzz back on that screen for exposing himself for not watching games.

Bububut Clarkson's a better defender than Wiggins.

 

[Newzz]

The only agenda I have is pushing the truth.

NBAsavant.com: Your Source For Advanced NBA Analytics - Wiggins 14/15 defensive season
NBAsavant.com: Your Source For Advanced NBA Analytics - Clarkson 14/15 defensive season
NBA.com/Stats - Wiggins and Clarkson's ISO defensive plays in 15/16

BUBUBUBUT THEY'RE JUST IMAGE GRABS OF FAKE STATS.

NBASavant update their player matchup halfway through each season - which is why I gave the numbers from last season during his rookie season (an entire season not just 20 games). The ISO numbers are from this season.

What the fukk does this have to do with Melo? I'm not the one who was talking about his defense against Melo - I'm not talking about his defense as a whole. So his defensive stats across an entire season from last year aren't indicative of the type of defender he is 20 games into this season? Like somehow he's a worse defender last season compared to this season?

You're simple ass muhfukka.

fukk outta here with your excuses....we done nikka



Posts stats from the 2015 season when we're discussing the current season, and think nikkas wont find out brehs



Like I said, in 2016...Wiggins is allowing his man to shoot 42.2% FG (which is only 1.2% FG less than what they shoot as a total). Did you even READ the link I posted?

Defended FG% is the field goal % of the opponent when the player (Wiggins) is defending him. Wiggins allows his opponent to shoot 42.2% which is 1.2% less than what they come in shooting at 43.4% FG.....not exactly the elite defender that YOU claimed Wiggins is


NBA.com/Stats



fukk outta here with your bum ass "isolation" stats which claim opponents have attempted only 26 shots over the course of 24 full fukking games while being guarded by Wiggins, and think you're making any sense


According to those isolation stats, NBA.com/Stats, Austin Rivers is better defensively than Andrew Wiggins

 

[Newzz]

@Newzz back on that screen for exposing himself for not watching games.

Bububut Clarkson's a better defender than Wiggins.

That's not what I said.....ever.


I said if Wiggins is such an elite defender, why are people shooting better against him than Clarkson clown


Every Laker fan knows Clarkson is weak on defense this year, we talk about it all the time in our official thread. The point I was making, is how can you say Wiggins' an elite defender already when even wack defensive players are holding their players to lesser percentages


Wiggins is NOT an elite defender, sit down Jill-Scott

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

fukk outta here with your excuses....we done nikka



Posts stats from the 2015 season when we're discussing the current season, and think nikkas wont find out brehs

We're only 24 games into this season. I gave his defensive matchups from last season to show you a COMPLETE picture of all the players he's guarded across an entire season as evidence behind his defensive ability. Are you seriously that ignorant to act as if he still isn't the same (if not better) player on the defensive end a year after his rookie season? Maybe if you actually watched him play you'd see what kind of defensive player he is instead of regurgitating this stupid bullshyt.

Like I said, in 2016...Wiggins is allowing his man to shoot 42.2% FG (which is only 1.2% FG less than what they shoot as a total). Did you even READ the link I posted?

YOU NEED TO PROVIDE CONTEXT WITH THESE NUMBERS YOU DUMB fukk. If you can't than there's no point in referencing these numbers. As I said above he guards BETTER offensive players - I gave you links of all the players he typically defends (from last season), as opposed to someone like Clarkson. WATCH GAMES. WATCH GAMES. They don't take into account help defenders and they don't take into account game situations.

This is why you can't simply go on DFG% to deem how good a player's defense is. It's not going to tell you how a player shuts down the lane, shadows a player around the court, stays on their hip on PnR situations, forces them to give up the ball rather than take a shot etc etc.

fukk outta here with your bum ass "isolation" stats which claim opponents have attempted only 26 shots over a course of 24 full fukking games, and think you're making any sense

There's a reason I posted the isolation stats, as they give you a clearer picture than DFG% will because teammates have less influence on isolation plays. Again, you're not going to get a accurate/complete picture of one's defensive abilities by simply going by standard numbers. You have to watch games.

According to those isolation stats, NBA.com/Stats, Austin Rivers is better defensively than Andrew Wiggins

Well if you'd actually watch games you'd see that Rivers is the best Clippers perimeter man-to-man defender. Again, that stat without context and by itself doesn't mean that Rivers is better defensively.

All this shyt is basic stuff breh. You clearly don't know what you're talking about when it comes to defense by bringing up shyt that doesn't even begin to detail a player's defensive ability. Get a clue.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

That's not what I said.....ever.


I said if Wiggins is such an elite defender, why are people shooting better against him than Clarkson clown

Again, those percentages don't take into account help defense and game situation. Wiggins defends better players and needs less help than Clarkson does. If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn't be saying this nonsense.

Every Laker fan knows Clarkson is weak on defense this year, we talk about it all the time in our official thread. The point I was making, is how can you say Wiggins' an elite defender already when even wack defensive players are holding their players to lesser percentages

Don't know what you're talking about brehs.

Wiggins' DFG% was worse last season - 47% yet as the closest defender to these players he performed as follows -

Afflalo holding him to 40%
Butler holding him to 36%
Wade holding him to 41%
Kobe holding him to 31%
Klay holding him to 36%
Hayward holding him to 31%
Kawhi holding him to 33%
Batum holding him to 37%
DeRozan holding him to 33%
Parsons holding him to 40%
Gay holding him to 33%
George holding him to 44%

Again like total DFG%, these need to have the proper context applied as well.

Wiggins is NOT an elite defender, sit down Jill-Scott

As a man-to-man wing defender he is. Since you don't watch games and have an agenda against my views, why don't we ask someone who you trust?

@Malta what do you think about Wiggins' man-to-man defense?