Amsterdam’s underwater parking garage fits 7,000 bicycles and zero cars

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Good.

Bikes are better for the environment.
And they help make fatties less fat.

There are literally zero downsides to bikes. At all.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

The hardcore pro cyclist crowd is willingly ignoring the elderly, disabled, and physically impaired community. Which is ironic considering it's also a very left leaning crowd.

Oh and also WEATHER.

Weather in most parts of europe isn't as extreme as it is in the US due to less freshwater bodies. These lakes we got in America gives us a ton of fukking snow, they just don't have it in the Netherlands like we do here.

With that said, the objective is that if people are healthier and more active they are also less likely to be disabled. Not to mention its a major dent in obesity which leads to a litany of health issues, alot of which results in mobility problems. This is all in all a good thing. I wish I was in a place less car-dependant. 65 Million vs exponentially more that in health care costs. Not to mention, if more people are healthy then more people are WORKING.

 

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You're still equating people using data driven information to suggest more efficient ways to build and run cities to actual Nazis/Fascists

the Netherlands became the threat of a good example.

theres no theory, there's just decades of hard evidence and studies showing numerous benefits to society. the one thing he refuses to acknowledge is the very thing even neoliberals in government can't ignore is that the proliferation of cars in cities isn't sustainable. theres just too many people and not all of them can drive every time they need to get somewhere. somethings got to give, so they've finally relented on giving people another option and aim to improve transit too.

even businesses have had to fall back when their fears were unfounded.

the data saids something different.

Bike lanes led to 49% increase in retail sales | Boing Boing


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East Village, New York City
A neighborhood survey of 420 people on First and Second avenues in Manhattan's East Village, home to protected bike lanes, found that aggregate spending by non-drivers accounted for 95 percent of all retail spending in the area. That's not too surprising in New York, given the great transit infrastructure, but the figures remain impressive. Cyclists spent about $163 per week on average, compared to $143 among drivers.

Los Angeles, California
Business data was collected along York Avenue in Los Angeles before and after a road diet that replaced car lanes with bike lanes. The change was found to have "little effect on surrounding businesses, property values, and customer shopping patterns." Sales tax revenue, a proxy for business success, was higher on the section of York with the new bike lane than the section without it, $1,116,745 to $574,778 (though revenues rose post-road diet in both sections).

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The city has been tracking the impacts of the lanes on businesses. One 2012 study following the construction of a bike lane on 9th Avenue, found local businesses saw an increase in retail sales of up to 49 per cent, compared to a three per cent increase in the rest of Manhattan.

A broader evaluation of bike lanes in the Big Apple conducted by municipal officials in 2014 indicated that streets with protected bike lanes experienced retail sales spike by up to 24 per cent compared to streets without protected lanes.

In Salt Lake City, 2015 sales tax statistics also noted a sales bump with new bike lanes.

Positive results have been seen in San Francisco too; after bike lanes and wider sidewalks were installed, two-thirds of merchants reported that increased levels of bicycling and walking improved business, only four per cent said the changes hurt sales.

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Philadelphia, for instance, recently ended its longstanding policy of offering free on-street parking on Saturdays during the holiday season. The move was controversial, but some retailers embraced it. “The less cars the better — especially with people walking around with strollers,” Nina Braca, the manager of Tildie’s Toy Box, told the Philadelphia Inquirer.

In Toronto, for example, May 2020 plans to install temporary protected bike lanes on a section of Bloor Street that’s home to high-end retailers like Hermes and Louis Vuitton met resistance from the local Bloor-Yorkville Business Improvement Area (BIA). The group sent a letter to the mayor and city council warning that the new bike lanes would trigger a shopping apocalypse: “Should we lose a significant number of retailers in the coming months, it will take a decade for the street to recover,” the letter warned.

Briar de Lange, the BIA’s executive director, worried that the bike lanes would make Bloor Street less appealing to affluent shoppers. “When drivers can’t pull over, they get frustrated,” she said. “They will look to suburban shopping malls, instead of coming to our street.” Rather than build protected lanes, the BIA supported sticking with sharrows — the painted road markings much maligned by cyclists — which “had worked well over the past 10 years.”

In fighting the new bike lanes on Bloor Street — which Toronto did ultimately install — those businesses owners may have been working against their own interests. In 2016, many businesses on an adjacent section of Bloor Street also vehemently opposed the city’s replacement of 136 on-street parking spots with protected bike lanes. “It was quite controversial,” said Becky Katz, the manager of cycling and pedestrian projects for the city. “Most of the concerns we heard came from business owners.”

How Janette Sadik-Khan built New York City’s bicycle renaissance

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Good.

Bikes are better for the environment.
And they help make fatties less fat.

There are literally zero downsides to bikes. At all.

For you. Do you have anyone in your life that physically could not run errands or commute via bike for any clear reason (ability, age, distance). Do they not matter?

 

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So disabled people must live adjacent in the bike lanes or they can't get around? I mean if that's your basis fine, but the lack of consideration that a car or van is by far their best travel is telling.

It's whatever you, you have the "I have a rebuttal to everything" type argument method which isn't actual discourse.

the the individuals pictured are riding independently. not every wheelchair bound or elderly person can afford to own a vehicle and not every one of them can operate one. a safe and protected bike lane gives them independence to travel without fearing for their safety because of cars.

 

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the the individuals pictured are riding independently. not every wheelchair bound or elderly person can afford to own a vehicle and not every one of them can operate one. a safe and protected bike lane gives them independence to travel without fearing for their safety because of cars.

I've seen that live in Seattle (maybe the best city in America bike wise) so I won't argue that point . It's all a balance, and so far you haven't seen very balanced in this thread and related threads.

 

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For you. Do you have anyone in your life that physically could not run errands or commute via bike for any clear reason (ability, age, distance). Do they not matter?

That's why other modes of public transportation are necessary. Bikes are not a catch-all, but nothing is.

You live in the Seattle area, right? You know how poor public transportation is there. Failing bus system, the only tram is around the Belltown area, no easy way to get from, say, South Park up to Northgate. Bike lanes aren't making it any harder for people who struggle to get from one place to another. They might have a car or van and spend upwards of an hour trying to get across town in a traffic jam.

 

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For you. Do you have anyone in your life that physically could not run errands or commute via bike for any clear reason (ability, age, distance). Do they not matter?

Cars are good for some people.
Nobody wants to get rid of cars off the face of the earth.

Just less of them.

 

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Cars are good for some people.
Nobody wants to get rid of cars off the face of the earth.

Just less of them.

Fair enough. These discussions and this thread never feels that way, however.

 

[International Playa]

Amsterdam bicycle culture keep their women in shape

 

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I've seen that live in Seattle (maybe the best city in America bike wise) so I won't argue that point . It's all a balance, and so far you haven't seen very balanced in this thread and related threads.

advocating for more options isn't balanced?

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

advocating for more options isn't balanced?

It's not when your sources portray users of the other options as selfish or irresponsible

 

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It's not when your sources portray users of the other options as selfish or irresponsible

example?

 

[ExodusNirvana]

is there a progressive you don't consider a shill?

what transportation experience are you looking for exactly?

In NYC? Nope. Most of them are liars and career politicians using Black communities and working class neighborhoods as launching pads for higher office.

It's why the voting in NYC is so abysmal

People out here blaming Jay Jacobs

No motherfukker, the people who live here don't fukk with the Democratic Party as much as you think

Yeah they want worker rights, the ability to not get evicted on a whim, they don't want to be yoked up for being Black in the wrong neighborhood

All reasonable things...not necessarily what the Democratic Party is about in NYC...