American-Liberians=/=African-American

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these are pressing issues. glad you all are spending so much time on them......................
 

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I would say during reconstruction. The thing IS.... Americo-Liberians left VERY VERY VERY early in AA history. They did not go through stuff like Jim-Crow or the Civil Rights movement to say they are 100% AA in ethnicity. IMO its Trauma, History, Slavery, Culture that forms the AA ethnicity imo. Americo-Liberians missed out on most of that. Hell, did Americo-Liberians even have a culture that is very similar to AAs?

I'm not even sure how to really word the question, but given that Americo-Liberians did come from the early AAs, why would we now deny them and separate them from AAs. I get the culture is different, quite different. I understand Americo-Liberians being their own subset, a distant relative of sorts. But I wouldn't completely cut them out of the AA set either. The Geeche-Gullah, IIRC, are definitely AA but their culture is very distinct from AA culture as we know it today. Closer to AA than AL but still quite distinct.

Gullah - Wikipedia
Geechee and Gullah Culture
Gullah/Geechee Nation
 
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I'm not even sure how to really word the question, but given that Americo-Liberians did come from the early AAs, why would we now deny them and separate them from AAs. I get the culture is different, quite different. I understand Americo-Liberians being their own subset, a distant relative of sorts. But I wouldn't completely cut them out of the AA set either. The Geeche-Gullah, IIRC, are definitely AA but their culture is very distinct from AA culture as we know it today. Closer to AA than AL but still quite distinct.

Gullah - Wikipedia
Geechee and Gullah Culture
Gullah/Geechee Nation


The Gullah/Geechee actually went thru the majority of AA experience and did NOT leave early. Also its an exaggeration that their culture is extremely different from "mainstream" AAs.
 

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:mjlol: lots of misinformation in this thread. i'm too lazy too dive in:yeshrug:
 

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:mjlol: lots of misinformation in this thread. i'm too lazy too dive in:yeshrug:

you know about Congo people right? From what I understand they are NOT Americo Liberians. I know theres a place in Liberia called Congo town where I believe was where most of them lived historically. I also believe these are the same Congo people that were in places like New Orleans (look up Congo Square).

I`m not well versed on their history though.
 

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My Liberian friends always give me a conflicting story compared to the af-american point of view.

There are always two sides to a story, do af-american have a good relationship with one another?
 

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A lot of people here are creating alternative realities.

Notice, how nobody is mentioning here, that for more than a century, from 1848 to 1980, in order to be president in Liberia, you had to be a black person, born in USA or your parents had be born in USA.

And before that, from 1821 to 1848, in order to be a governor in Liberia, you had to be white or black born in USA. And some of them immigrated with their families to Liberia. Most of the Americo-Liberians, came from black or multiracial families that had been living in USA, for more than a century.

Using a small example of re-captives, is being completely delusional. Because the people in charge, the people who created the rules, and were controlling the wealth, were not re-captives from Congo. They were blacks, whose families had been in US America for a lot of years. The party that controlled Liberia from 1878 to 1980, was the True Whig Party, basically a copy of the Republican Party.

Liberia is a case, where descendants of former slaves, adopted everything from their slave masters, and tried to re-create that on another place. Basically what people from São Tomé and Cape Verde have been trying to do, unsuccessfully, in Angola for years. Force native angolans to adopt iberian costumes, just because most of them are descendants or mixed with iberians. And send most of our money to Portugal.

PS: Free people of color and free negros, were not slaves themselves, but descendants of slaves. So, saying that they were not AAs, because they were not slaves, doesn't make much sense.
Granville T. Woods, was a free negro, not a slave. But descendant of slaves. Are we going to say that he was not AA?
 
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Benjamin Banneker - Wikipedia
Benjamin Banneker (November 9, 1731 – October 9, 1806) was a free African American almanac author, surveyor, naturalist, and farmer. Born in Baltimore County, Maryland, to a free African American woman and a former slave, Banneker.

Benjamin Banneker was born on November 9, 1731, in Baltimore County, Maryland to Mary Banneky, a free black, and Robert, a freed slave from Guinea.[1][2][3] There are two conflicting accounts of Banneker's family history. Banneker himself and his earliest biographers described him as having only African ancestry.[4][5][6] None of Banneker's surviving papers describe a white ancestor or identify the name of his grandmother.[5] However, later biographers have contended that Banneker's mother was the child of Molly Welsh, a white indentured servant, and an African slave named Banneka.[5][7] The first published description of Molly Welsh was based on interviews with her descendants that took place in 1836, long after the deaths of both Molly and Benjamin.[5][8]

Molly may have purchased Banneka to help establish a farm located near what eventually became Ellicott's Mills, Maryland, west of Baltimore.[9] One biographer has suggested that Banneka may have been a member of the Dogon tribe that were reported to have knowledge of astronomy.[10] Molly supposedly freed and married Banneka, who may have shared his knowledge of astronomy with her.[11] Although born after Banneka's death, Benjamin may have acquired some knowledge of astronomy from Molly.[10]

Being a freed Guinea slave I guess would disqualify him as an AA, as opposed to a freed American slave.
 

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you know about Congo people right? From what I understand they are NOT Americo Liberians. I know theres a place in Liberia called Congo town where I believe was where most of them lived historically. I also believe these are the same Congo people that were in places like New Orleans (look up Congo Square).

I`m not well versed on their history though.

There is a congotown in Monrovia and Sierra Leone. back then "Congo people" were seperate and didn't hold any political influence, wealth or power. And they never did.
 
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