AMC Theaters’ Credit Takes a Bad Hit; Future in Jeopardy

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Means you'll have to pay more. They're charging $17-20 to watch newly released movies. The kids/senior citizens tickets I buy are cheaper than that.
Yup. Also means each studio can essentially charge whatever they want and there won’t be a standard across the board. They’d set their own prices based on what they feel the market will pay.
 

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Pretend streaming services don't exist brehs.

You think studios were expecting to have to charge $19.99 for The Hunt?

They had to call an audible on the fly.

I didn't pay 20 dollars to have to watch Bird Box.

GoT cost $1.5 Billion to make and for $14.99 you can watch all of it.

Let's not pretend like content can't be delivered to the consumer at a fair and reasonable price.

They don't hold the purse strings, we do.
 
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Pretend streaming services don't exist brehs.

You think studios were expecting to have to charge $19.99 for The Hunt?

They had to call an audible on the fly.

I didn't pay 20 dollars to have to watch Bird Box.

GoT cost $1.5 Billion to make and for $14.99 you can watch all of it.

Let's not pretend like content can't be delivered to the consumer at a fair and reasonable price.

They don't hold the purse strings, we do.
Most of us are saying they won’t deliver it at a fair and reasonable price. That’s the point. Those were special situations where those movies were already losing money so fukk it you make good. But let’s say you got a movie that cost at max 100 mill to make, and of course you’re still going to advertise it and do the normal shyt, so now we’re probably up to 300 million. So you probably need to clear 600-700 million to even begin to make a profit.

Of course you’re not splitting any distributors so that helps you out but you’re going to need to charge more than $19 to get that money. And most movies that make a lot of money? That billion dollar club? They do it because of repeat viewing so you get to keep charging people.

If you sell me this movie for....$30, you’re only getting that $30 once as opposed to the multiple times you can get it for months on end. So for your idea to work, or anyone’s idea to work for studios to cut out the middle man, they’re going to need to make a lot of movies a whole lot cheaper and that has ripple effects down the line.
 

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Most of us are saying they won’t deliver it at a fair and reasonable price. That’s the point. Those were special situations where those movies were already losing money so fukk it you make good. But let’s say you got a movie that cost at max 100 mill to make, and of course you’re still going to advertise it and do the normal shyt, so now we’re probably up to 300 million. So you probably need to clear 600-700 million to even begin to make a profit.

Of course you’re not splitting any distributors so that helps you out but you’re going to need to charge more than $19 to get that money. And most movies that make a lot of money? That billion dollar club? They do it because of repeat viewing so you get to keep charging people.

If you sell me this movie for....$30, you’re only getting that $30 once as opposed to the multiple times you can get it for months on end. So for your idea to work, or anyone’s idea to work for studios to cut out the middle man, they’re going to need to make a lot of movies a whole lot cheaper and that has ripple effects down the line.

It sounds like you're saying studios can't take a $100M movie direct to consumer but it's been done already.

What you're describing is exactly what streaming is big man.

Netflix made $20 Billion in revenue and took home $8 Billion in profit in 2019. That's your billion dollar club.

Netflix gets your $8.99 or $16 multiple times - that's the monthly charge. And that comes with a whole lot of movies.

Is that not a fair and reasonable price?

Digital Movie Revenue Surges Past Flat Theatrical Box Office — WSJ

Streaming is up, theatrical box office is down.
 

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It sounds like you're saying studios can't take a $100M movie direct to consumer but it's been done already.

What you're describing is exactly what streaming is big man.

Netflix made $20 Billion in revenue and took home $8 Billion in profit in 2019. That's your billion dollar club.

Netflix gets your $8.99 or $16 multiple times - that's the monthly charge. And that comes with a whole lot of movies.

Is that not a fair and reasonable price?

Digital Movie Revenue Surges Past Flat Theatrical Box Office — WSJ

Streaming is up, theatrical box office is down.
Netflix also has a subscription model and they’re one studio. And they produce more than movies. Not to mention their licensing deals with other studios which haven’t completely dried up. So you’re not describing an apples to apples scenario.

If every studio in town decided they were going to subscription service and also putting every single bit of content they own or have ever owned on said service and released new movies? Yeah it could work possibly. But I don’t see that happening. Also the way people bytch and moan about the number of services to subscribe to now? Yeah then it gets a whole lot worse.

Netflix reaps the benefit of older shows, older movies, plus new content. Not every studio in town has that advantage. Either because they don’t own those properties anymore or because they’re tied up in so much legal bullshyt
 

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Netflix also has a subscription model and they’re one studio. And they produce more than movies. Not to mention their licensing deals with other studios which haven’t completely dried up. So you’re not describing an apples to apples scenario.

If every studio in town decided they were going to subscription service and also putting every single bit of content they own or have ever owned on said service and released new movies? Yeah it could work possibly. But I don’t see that happening. Also the way people bytch and moan about the number of services to subscribe to now? Yeah then it gets a whole lot worse.

That is what's happening.

There's only 5 major studios, Universal, Warner, Viacom, Disney and Sony.

Disney has Disney+, Universal is launching Peacock, Warner is launching HBO Max. They produce more than movies.

Viacom is wasting it's time with CBS All Access, I wouldn't be surprised to see them follow the HBO Max and launch a SHO Max.

You're right though, the streaming wars are just getting started.
 

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That is what's happening.

There's only 5 major studios, Universal, Warner, Viacom, Disney and Sony.

Disney has Disney+, Universal is launching Peacock, Warner is launching HBO Max. They produce more than movies.

Viacom is wasting it's time with CBS All Access, I wouldn't be surprised to see them follow the HBO Max and launch a SHO Max.

You're right though, the streaming wars are just getting started.
Yeah and it’s happening only to a degree. Networks still need to air shyt too which is another thorn. Independent studios like blumhouse have distribution deals with universal but I can’t see them wanting to be folded into nbc universal, most independent studios wouldn’t want to be folded into any major studio. That’s why they’re independent.

The idea of each studio folding in independents, clawing back all their tv shows from networks, and then creating subs just so they can watch movies just sounds messy. It’s easy for Disney to do it when they have their own network so there’s no one to wrestle for that content and no one to license the content to. Other studios aren’t so lucky.

I got no problem going to a theater and I’d much rather do that than pay each studio a subscription fee to see their latest movie, on top of the other shyt I subscribe to. No thank you.
 

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Yeah and it’s happening only to a degree. Networks still need to air shyt too which is another thorn. Independent studios like blumhouse have distribution deals with universal but I can’t see them wanting to be folded into nbc universal, most independent studios wouldn’t want to be folded into any major studio. That’s why they’re independent.

The idea of each studio folding in independents, clawing back all their tv shows from networks, and then creating subs just so they can watch movies just sounds messy. It’s easy for Disney to do it when they have their own network so there’s no one to wrestle for that content and no one to license the content to. Other studios aren’t so lucky.

I got no problem going to a theater and I’d much rather do that than pay each studio a subscription fee to see their latest movie, on top of the other shyt I subscribe to. No thank you.

Eh, It's not as messy as you make it sound.

Licensing streaming rights isn't independent studios being folded into major ones.

Get Out has been on streaming services, I don't recall Blumhouse being folded into Netflix, or Warner/HBO when it aired there.

And studios wouldn't and haven't stopped producing content for network.

But hey I get it, you like things the way you like 'em, more power to you.
 

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they had a good run

one step closer to direct to home streaming on new releases becoming the norm. i welcome it
Dude that’s gonna suck, part of seeing movies in the theater is the experience of it, people without a 60+ inch. And surround sound gonna take an L on that front.
 
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