Always thought this came from Africa or Caribbean ...actually it was New Orleans

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The Music of Africa, By Way of Latin America



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A dude named Felix Contreras wrote that junk. Here is a better article. I don't agree with parts of this article either, but it at least points out potential overlap if any that existed and when it may have occurred.
No drums allowed: Afro rhythmic mutations in America - This Is Africa Lifestyle rica/


To me this is similar to people who claim that DJ Herc is the father of Hip Hop, but then ignore the fact that DJ Herc was spinning James Brown's songs; including one called the Funky Drummer that is one of the most sampled songs in Hip Hop's history. So clearly in my opinion James Brown is the father of Hip Hop and the NY Times even pointed out his accomplishment to the genre:

"...The funk Mr. Brown introduced in his 1965 hit “Papa’s Got a Brand New Bag,” was both deeply rooted in Africa and thoroughly American. Songs like “I Got You (I Feel Good),” “Cold Sweat,” “Get Up (I Feel Like Being a) Sex Machine” and “Hot Pants” found the percussive side of every instrument and meshed sharply syncopated patterns into kinetic polyrhythms that made people dance.

Mr. Brown’s innovations reverberated through the soul and rhythm-and-blues of the 1970s and the hip-hop of the next three decades. The beat of a 1970 instrumental “Funky Drummer” may well be the most widely sampled rhythm in hip-hop.

Mr. Brown’s stage moves — the spins, the quick shuffles, the knee-drops, the splits — were imitated by performers who tried to match his stamina, from Mick Jagger to Michael Jackson, and were admired by the many more who could not. Mr. Brown was a political force... ."
James Brown, the ‘Godfather of Soul,’ Dies at 73

 

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The immigration act that allowed y'all to come in en masse wasn't until the 60s.
We already had toasting in THE FORTIES.
Jamaicans picked that up from the radio, picked up some records, and "created" reggae.
1965-197 1 is too short a time period for a few hundred thousand jamaicans sprinkled throughout NYC to influence the millions of black people already living in NYC.
@IllmaticDelta and I have refuted all caribbean claims to AA music multiple times. We influenced THEM and ONE JAMAICAN was an early participant.
Even the Ricans weren't an INTEGRAL PART of the DEVELOPMENT, they were just the VERY FIRST non aas to come around...they're US CITIZENS...but they did not put any ingredients into the stew. It is an AA culture that has multiple participants.
We can make way more of a claim on jamaican music...we literally FATHERED it, unlike Herc.
Where did King Tubby and Coxsone Dodd buy records and hear AFRAM JIVE TALK TOASTING?
HMMM....HMMM..
"Do the reggay" is a SKA song.
Ska is a Jamaican spin on Afram Rock N Roll.
Now show me the rap version of those facts involving random islanders, so I can laugh at the lies.
I'm neither Rican or Jamaican and I don't recall you having ties to NY or the southern places that many during the Great Migration came from.....so it's a bit weird hearing you write "us" and "y'all" in this discussion.

Let me give you time to go back and re read my post about the reason PRs and Jamaicans were in NY in those numbers BEFORE the immigration act of 1965.
By the way, in 1960 I've seen figure that said that there were less than 1.1 million Blacks( total) in NYC and over 600,000 Puerto Ricans. In 1960. Out of the Black total, AAs are the majority , but if you think about the neighborhoods where Blacks and Ricans eventually lived together.....it's impossible to imagine with those population numbers that there wasn't cultural exchange.

Everything else you wrote was mentioned in the earlier post when I stated that AA music (jazz,blues,rock,soul) had traveled and influenced the globe, including JA and PR. I said that NYC was the RARE place where the opposite was taking place during those decades. Legendary AA Jazz icons fukked with latin jazz, for example.

Jokes, and deflections are not going to prove your case.
 
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I'm neither Rican or Jamaican and I don't recall you having ties to NY or the southern places that many during the Great Migration came from.....so it's a bit weird hearing you write "us" and "y'all" in this discussion.

Let me give you time to go back and re read my post about the reason PRs and Jamaicans were in NY in those numbers BEFORE the immigration act of 1965.
By the way, in 1960 I've seen figure that said that there were less than 1.1 million Blacks( total) in NYC and over 600,000 Puerto Ricans. In 1960. Out of the Black total, AAs are the majority , but if you think about the neighborhoods where Blacks and Ricans eventually lived together.....it's impossible to imagine with those population numbers that there wasn't cultural exchange.

Everything else you wrote was mentioned in the earlier post when I stated that AA music (jazz,blues,rock,soul) had traveled and influenced the globe, including JA and PR. I said that NYC was the RARE place where the opposite was taking place during those decades. Legendary AA Jazz icons fukked with latin jazz, for example.

Jokes, and deflections are not going to prove your case.
You just slid past that other post, ha?
 
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that segment of blacks and latinos (1920s to 1960's) were the not the same segment that was tied to the gangs and later hiphop, The rican and black gangs were rivals as talked about here



they talk about it in here too


@Get These Nets You're Haitian, still a "caribbean immigrant" or the child of them.
This is not a caribbean immigrant culture, it's AA culture that caribbean immigrants latched on to and now lie about founding.
It's not a 3 part cultural mix and there are no Puerto Rican or Jamaican elements in early hip hop. They were just there.
Be proud you're "from" NY...and leave it at that.
 

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that segment of blacks and latinos (1920s to 1960's) were the not the same segment that was tied to the gangs and later hiphop, The rican and black gangs were rivals as talked about here



they talk about it in here too
Thanks, I don't want this to turn into those other related threads with people just posting videos to be posting videos.
There's a doc. bout that same era called "80 block from tiffanys" in spoiler where they show mixed gangs


Please spoiler any video posted as proof so that the pages can load
 

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I checked it out. It really has no correlation to HipHop. HipHop as a given name to a movement happened in NYC but the actual elements were pretty much born outside of NYC except Disco sound systems.


funk = was born in the south
rapping (syncopated rhyming) = was born in the south
early bboy = came from jazz dancing, born in the south
graffiti = born in philadelphia


The first bubblings of HipHop pretty much was void of any direct Puerto Rican in the realm of music/dance, They came later on





even the early ricans in hiphop attest to this





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............puerto ricans just so happen to be the first non-blacks to be invited into the culture but they CLEARLY weren't there from the start or are originators to the foundations of hiphop.

mr wiggles basically admits that ricans were like 2nd and 3rd generation bboys

The NR story I posted was to bolster my point about how NYC was one of the rare places where Latin/Jamaican elements were influencing AAs. AA music traveled and influenced the globe.....but rarely was the influence in the other direction. NYC was one of those exceptions.

In the 1960 census.....there was a 1.08 to .6 ratio of Blacks(total) to Puerto Ricans in NYC. Even if you factor Ricans living in separate neighborhoods at one time like East (Spanish) Harlem......that's too many people living in close proximity for there not to have been cultural exchanges.

Will watch the clips though, thanks
 

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A dude named Felix Contreras wrote that junk. Here is a better article. I don't agree with parts of this article either, but it at least points out potential overlap if any that existed and when it may have occurred.
No drums allowed: Afro rhythmic mutations in America - This Is Africa Lifestyle rica/


To me this is similar to people who claim that DJ Herc is the father of Hip Hop, but then ignore the fact that DJ Herc was spinning James Brown's songs; including one called the Funky Drummer that is one of the most sampled songs in Hip Hop's history. So clearly in my opinion James Brown is the father of Hip Hop and the NY Times even pointed out his accomplishment to the genre:

"...The funk Mr. Brown introduced in his 1965 hit “Papa’s Got a Brand New Bag,” was both deeply rooted in Africa and thoroughly American. Songs like “I Got You (I Feel Good),” “Cold Sweat,” “Get Up (I Feel Like Being a) Sex Machine” and “Hot Pants” found the percussive side of every instrument and meshed sharply syncopated patterns into kinetic polyrhythms that made people dance.

Mr. Brown’s innovations reverberated through the soul and rhythm-and-blues of the 1970s and the hip-hop of the next three decades. The beat of a 1970 instrumental “Funky Drummer” may well be the most widely sampled rhythm in hip-hop.

Mr. Brown’s stage moves — the spins, the quick shuffles, the knee-drops, the splits — were imitated by performers who tried to match his stamina, from Mick Jagger to Michael Jackson, and were admired by the many more who could not. Mr. Brown was a political force... ."
James Brown, the ‘Godfather of Soul,’ Dies at 73


thanks, will read the article later and comment
but................... WHO has EVER not given James Brown credit for being the father of the of hip hop?
Even the people who are considered the founding fathers of the culture pay open homage to him
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People give DJ's like Herc credit for identifying and extending the "breaks" of songs so that people could dance to the best part of the songs.
 

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thanks, will read the article later and comment
but................... WHO has EVER not given James Brown credit for being the father of the of hip hop?
Even the people who are considered the founding fathers of the culture pay open homage to him
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People give DJ's like Herc credit for identifying and extending the "breaks" of songs so that people could dance to the best part of the songs.


Dudes on theColi.
 

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The NR story I posted was to bolster my point about how NYC was one of the rare places where Latin/Jamaican elements were influencing AAs. AA music traveled and influenced the globe.....but rarely was the influence in the other direction. NYC was one of those exceptions.

In the 1960 census.....there was a 1.08 to .6 ratio of Blacks(total) to Puerto Ricans in NYC. Even if you factor Ricans living in separate neighborhoods at one time like East (Spanish) Harlem......that's too many people living in close proximity for there not to have been cultural exchanges.

Will watch the clips though, thanks

The exception was probably New Orleans. The article presents a pretty fair picture of overlap.
 

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Since we are on this topic, is this true?



I stumbled upon this today.


Yeah.

Fela and all those other musicians where very open that were putting their own spin on Jazz/Funk & Soul.

The more progressive African musicians post WW2 were heavily influenced by Black American and Afro Cuban(more so in Congo) music and artists.
 

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Thanks, I don't want this to turn into those other related threads with people just posting videos to be posting videos.
There's a doc. bout that same era called "80 block from tiffanys" in spoiler where they show mixed gangs


Please spoiler any video posted as proof so that the pages can load


as time went on after the truce, you had more mixed (black and latin) gangs but make no mistake, there was an obvious divide and the early latins in hiphop make it clear, they were outsiders to hiphop (park jams, music, bboys etc...and not founders. Read below


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The NR story I posted was to bolster my point about how NYC was one of the rare places where Latin/Jamaican elements were influencing AAs. AA music traveled and influenced the globe.....but rarely was the influence in the other direction. NYC was one of those exceptions.

NYC was the place where you had direct afram and puerto rican/cuban interchange but that was on THEIR music, not aframs music. The influence was Aframs influencing them with direct contact in NYC more than it was the other way around.

Latin jazz (mambo and later, salsa) is THEIR music that started when they took afram big band jazz and mixed it with afro-cuban sounds

Latin Boogaloo was the music THEY listened to after they mixed Cuban sounds with Afram ones.

.....basically, latins acquired whole new genres because of the interaction-interplay, not the other way around.

In the 1960 census.....there was a 1.08 to .6 ratio of Blacks(total) to Puerto Ricans in NYC. Even if you factor Ricans living in separate neighborhoods at one time like East (Spanish) Harlem......that's too many people living in close proximity for there not to have been cultural exchanges.

there was, just not on aframs but on latins


 
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