Always thought this came from Africa or Caribbean ...actually it was New Orleans

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Everyone wants to be the special negro and will use any justification they can find to separate themselves from the pack that is AADOS.

Being from H-town I gotta say NO people, on average, are the WORST. We were forced to deal with them folk and they :mjpls: mentality in mass after Katrina.

The amount of times I've heard some slick shyt from them about our Zydeco culture in Houston and how we "stole" it and creole culture from them as if the music didn't developed in my city's Frenchtown 5th ward, and New Orleans didn't have shyt to do with it until after HOUSTON developed it and made it popular, and furthermore how Houston creole culture & heritage as a whole ain't got shyt to do with New Orleans but is rooted in rural SWLA.

And furthermore they like to act like all AA culture started in their city and that they're the most exotic and unique AA culture out there, yet they don't realize just how much of their culture is borrowed/inherited from AAs outside their city and state. My and @IllmaticDelta already touched on some, but here's another example to drive the point home.

They inherited boogie woogie piano style, which started in the NETX piney woods, and later incorporated the boogie bassline into their jazz and blues and it was brought there by two Houston boogie woogie pianist, the Thomas brothers.


Riverwalk Jazz - Stanford University Libraries

Some of them are so:mjpls: they would rather attribute cultural aspects like that to Europeans, Native Americans, Caribbeans, a direct African connection, or anything but to AADOS from which it actually came to make themselves seem exotic.

The nerve of the arrogance of these folk towards us after seeking refuge in our city with nothing but the clothes on their backs.

Not to mention how they got handled and ran up out my city on a street level after they came over here and thought they're were going to flex nuts.
TI really was King of the South
"handled and ran up out"
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nahhhhhhhhhhh
 

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"handled and ran up out"
:usure:
nahhhhhhhhhhh

The news articles and quotes is all there, my man.

Every news reporting the increase in murder rate was presented as evacuees being the VICTIMS of murders at a high rate. They were knockin off each other and getting killed by H-town cats.

They aint know how to move or hustle here at all.
 

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The news articles and quotes is all there, my man.

Every news reporting the increase in murder rate was presented as evacuees being the VICTIMS of murders at a high rate. They were knockin off each other and getting killed by H-town cats.

They aint know how to move or hustle here at all.

Houston had 336 homicides in 2005. The last two, which bloodied the earliest hours of New Year’s Eve, weren’t interesting, except for two facts: Both gunshot victims—Keith Hayes, 19, and Calvin Clay, 23—were former New Orleans residents, evacuees of Hurricane Katrina. And both men allegedly died at the hands of a third Big Easy evacuee, who remains at large.

This city of nearly 2 million has experienced a marked uptick in its homicide rate since more than 100,000 of New Orleans’s displaced residents flocked into town in late August and early September. While Houston’s murder rate is up 23 percent for all of 2005, it spiked 70 percent in November and December compared to last year’s levels. At least 35 percent of Houston’s December increase in homicides—five of 14 over last year’s level—directly stemmed from the presence of Katrina evacuees.

Here are a few of Houston’s homicides of the past two months, as reported by the Houston Chronicle and by the New Orleans Times-Picayune:

  • December 29: A gun battle at a run-down motel ended with one young New Orleans evacuee dead, with a bullet in the head.

  • December 19: A New Orleans evacuee was found shot to death in an apartment.

  • December 5: A New Orleans evacuee was shot to death near his car.

  • November 20: A New Orleans evacuee shot a fellow evacuee to death at a pool hall.

  • November 1: A New Orleans evacuee was stabbed to death by a Texan who, police have determined, was defending himself from an attempted carjacking at the hands of the evacuee.
Katrina Refugees Shoot Up Houston

:snoop: Get killed by a square H-Town cat you ran up on tryna carjack by gettin stabbed to death.
 
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not sure if this has been posted in this thread or not, but it does show evidence of a strong Hatian influence in Louisiana





The question isn't, did they leave an influence. The question is just how much and whether or not if it's overstated. The answer is that it's overstated for reason @Supper and myself have already mentioned and supported with evidence.


The point of contention wasn't if New Orleans had more black catholic representation than other cities, but was that if NO's black francophone/catholic CULTURAL representation was more significant than it's black anglo/protestant CULTURAL representation. Which is arguable seeing as there are AAs in louisiana with francophone background that are protestants and those of anglophone background with are catholic.

I'd say it's more likely that the black anglophone cultural representation is more significant in New Orleans than the black francophone cultural representation, especially in music. But, whether or not black catholic culture is more significant than black protestant culture is debatable. Mardi gras is catholic in origin, but it didn't come from blacks. Jazz funerals did come from blacks and are protestant in origin. Not to mention the influence of gospel music which comes from black protestants outside of louisiana which New Orleans black catholics play today thanks to the influence of zion travelers.
Gospel Train: The Zion Travelers Spiritual Singers


It's Not Just Tomatoes: Jazz Funerals: The Mourning of Death, the Celebration of Life


Black New Orleans Catholics Already Incorporate Culture Into Worship

Black catholics in New Orleans are heavily influenced by southern AA baptist traditions. Nothing "french" about them.

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The question isn't, did they leave an influence. The question is just how much and whether or not if it's overstated. The answer is that it's overstated for reason @Supper and myself have already mentioned and supported with evidence.




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And I still find the assumption that colonial afro-francophone culture in louisiana being more similar to haiti, martinique or something than to old "US" afro-anglophone culture nonsense seeing as both slave cultures were largely based around rice agriculture(especially in the GA & both Carolinas) and had a disproportionate amount of sahelian and savanna Africans.

Of the approximately 388,000 Africans who landed in America, almost 92,000 (24 percent) were Senegambians. In the early decades of immigration to the Chesapeake region before 1700, there were more immigrants from Senegambia (almost 6,000) than from the Bight of Biafra (about 5,000), and they totaled about 31,000 by the end of the migration, representing almost a third of all arrivals from Senegambia. About 45,000 Senegambians were settled in the coastal Low Country of the Carolinas and Georgia, where they constituted 21 percent of African immigrants. Senegambians were also prominent among African immigrants in the northern colonies, accounting for about 28 percent of arrivals, or over 7,000 people. Almost 9,000 Senegambians — often identified as Bambara or Mandingo — went to the Gulf region, especially to Louisiana, where they constituted about 40 percent of the population arriving from Africa.

Such was not the case in Haiti.

Bambara like other Sahelian sounds are almost identical to the blues.



I believe when other AAs from the "old" US were brought in mass to Louisiana they encountered a musical sound that was already natural to them, and simply reinforced it and further culturally unified regional AAs with their field hollering, work songs, ring shouts, and negro spirituals.
 

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I think you misunderstood what I was saying in regards to Congo square. What I meant was the black slaves that came from other southern states which were Anglo/protestant brought their cultural norms at the time to new orleans thus influencing in a whole other direction.

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the minstrel material didn't influence those genres even though the minstrels pulled from the actual pre-formation sources of those same genres while making a parody form of it but my main point is the core genres of influence to jazz had no connection to congo square and were from a whole other region.

blues



ragtime



sacred music




@Get These Nets @TNOT

take not of the non-catholic influence and what the catholic creoles (johnny st cyr, kid ory, joe rene, mutt carey) noticed about the music from the baptist church and it's relation to jazz:mjgrin:


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And I still find the assumption that colonial afro-francophone culture in louisiana being more similar to haiti, martinique or something than to old "US" afro-anglophone culture nonsense seeing as both slave cultures were largely based around rice agriculture(especially in the GA & both Carolinas) and had a disproportionate amount of sahelian and savanna Africans.



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facts. The OG stock afrocreole in louisiana was heavily Senegambian whereas the one from Haiti was more Bight Of Benin
 

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leadbelly who was a baptist born in 1888 louisianna gives an example of the "holy roller" style below



Leadbelly with a longer more in depth breakdown of the afram protestant style of church


 

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We keep going in circles, I never understated the aa influences in the city , I’ve explained that already


What I’ve yet to see is a reason why the culture is expressed differently here than all the other places you’ve mentioned. I’ve posted examples of our culture remaining strong throughout generations. I’ve seen hardly anything made in the last 5 years that resembles the culture I see everyday here.



That makes it unique to me and the people who live here. I believe that uniqueness is because of cultural influences and traditions particularly, francophone influences.

I personally believe that some of you believe New Orleanians have attitude of being better than you or claiming to not be black like you, I don’t know where you get that from ( I’m sure someone will post a video)


None of you seem to have any real relationships with someone born and raised in the city. The nonsense about us thinking we better than y’all is internet message board bullshyt. If where you live/from is so culturally rich go celebrate that, invite other people to experience it.
 

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We keep going in circles, I never understated the aa influences in the city , I’ve explained that already


What I’ve yet to see is a reason why the culture is expressed differently here than all the other places you’ve mentioned. I’ve posted examples of our culture remaining strong throughout generations. I’ve seen hardly anything made in the last 5 years that resembles the culture I see everyday here.


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every region where black people lived before the outer migration had it's own cultural cluster/uniqueness, hence, they all expressed afram in their own way

louisianna, texas, mississippi and alabama in the golf coast cluster



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virginia, kentucky, parts of the carolinas etc...have a black appalachian/piedmont cluster

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African American influence on Appalachian Music

and parts of georgia, north/south carolina and florida in the sea islands cluster

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none of these regions had 100% the exact same black culture
 

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So going off what you posted about ethnicity of the Africans bought to Louisiana, they were mainly from Greater Senegambia. Africans that we’re in Haiti were of Bight of Benin descent.

My DNA results line up the history of Africans in Louisiana, kinda

21% Nigerian
19 % Senegambia/ Guinean
13% Ghanaian/ Liberian/ Sierra Leone
13% broadly west African
5 % Congolese

These numbers are tricky , because who’s to say that population of people there now are the same genetically as the people there doing the slave trade.
 

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So going off what you posted about ethnicity of the Africans bought to Louisiana, they were mainly from Greater Senegambia. Africans that we’re in Haiti were of Bight of Benin descent.

My DNA results line up the history of Africans in Louisiana, kinda

21% Nigerian
19 % Senegambia/ Guinean
13% Ghanaian/ Liberian/ Sierra Leone
13% broadly west African
5 % Congolese

These numbers are tricky , because who’s to say that population of people there now are the same genetically as the people there doing the slave trade.

look at the haiti stock

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So going off what you posted about ethnicity of the Africans bought to Louisiana, they were mainly from Greater Senegambia. Africans that we’re in Haiti were of Bight of Benin descent.

My DNA results line up the history of Africans in Louisiana, kinda

21% Nigerian
19 % Senegambia/ Guinean
13% Ghanaian/ Liberian/ Sierra Leone
13% broadly west African
5 % Congolese

These numbers are tricky , because who’s to say that population of people there now are the same genetically as the people there doing the slave trade.
Those are 23andme new updated African results. These dna test can be very tricky but sometimes accurate in many cases. If you're looking for lost family members then I recommend it but if you're using them to connect you to an African country then you're wasting your time especially as an Afram or new world black. These test are designed to show you the area of people you mostly share genetic ties with. Here are my 23andme african results:
  • Nigerian
    33.3%

  • Ghanaian, Liberian & Sierra Leonean
    17.3%

  • Congolese
    9.2%

  • Senegambian & Guinean
    5.3%

  • Southern East African
    0.9%

  • African Hunter-Gatherer
    0.3%

  • Broadly West African
    14.0%

  • Broadly Congolese & Southern East African
  • 2.9%
Broadly Sub-Saharan African
3.9%

My ancestry DNA African results were totally different because I didn't have that high of a Nigerian results compared to my 23andme results which makes me a little skeptical about these test when it comes to the African portion of my dna. However I will say this I do like ancestry's dna migration community because it can pinpoint what ethnicity you are. Since you're from new orleans I'm guessing your DNA community on ancestry should be "Louisiana creoles & African Americans" or "Virginia and southern states African Americans" if you took the ancestry test.
 

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Those are 23andme new updated African results. These dna test can be very tricky but sometimes accurate in many cases. If you're looking for lost family members then I recommend it but if you're using them to connect you to an African country then you're wasting your time especially as an Afram or new world black. These test are designed to show you the area of people you mostly share genetic ties with. Here are my 23andme african results:
  • Nigerian
    33.3%

  • Ghanaian, Liberian & Sierra Leonean
    17.3%

  • Congolese
    9.2%

  • Senegambian & Guinean
    5.3%

  • Southern East African
    0.9%

  • African Hunter-Gatherer
    0.3%

  • Broadly West African
    14.0%

  • Broadly Congolese & Southern East African
  • 2.9%
Broadly Sub-Saharan African
3.9%

My ancestry DNA African results were totally different because I didn't have that high of a Nigerian results compared to my 23andme results which makes me a little skeptical about these test when it comes to the African portion of my dna. However I will say this I do like ancestry's dna migration community because it can pinpoint what ethnicity you are. Since you're from new orleans I'm guessing your DNA community on ancestry should be "Louisiana creoles & African Americans" or "Virginia and southern states African Americans" if you took the ancestry test.
Yeah the DNA relative feature is pretty good. I’m finding a lot about 3 and 4 th cousins, which will help track down my family lineage. I have a lot of relatives in California. I think because more of them have submitted samples than other places where I know I have family connections.

Things that surprised me that shouldn’t have

The amount of white people who, according to 23andme, are my 3 and fourth cousins.
It shows I’m about 22% cac. Which should be the avg for most AAs I’m guessing. Again not surprising.


I have a lot DNA relatives in NYC and Maryland. Thanks to info posted in this thread I see the connection.


Me and my wife are 5 th cousins. Our families are from the same area, so not totally shocked there either. :yeshrug:


I told her the ancestors had a plan for us:lolbron:
 
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Yeah the DNA relative feature is pretty good. I’m finding a lot about 3 and 4 th cousins, which will help track down my family lineage. I have a lot of relatives in California. I think because more of them have submitted samples than other places where I know I have family connections.

Things that surprised me that shouldn’t have

The amount of white people who, according to 23andme, are my 3 and fourth cousins.
It shows I’m about 22% cac. Which should be the avg for most AAs I’m guessing. Again not surprising.


I have a lot DNA relatives in NYC and Maryland. Thanks to info posted in this thread I see the connection.


Me and my wife are 5 th cousins. Our families are from the same area, so not totally shocked there either. :yeshrug:


I told her the ancestors had a plan for us:lolbron:
:huhldup::huhldup::huhldup:

But yeah it was the same for me with most of my dna cousins being in California as well. You should try the full version, it will show you your DNA cousins not only in the states but around the world, it's pretty dope.
yo this thread is all over the place compared to the first post:why:
 
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