We going to act like his match against Foley in 96 isn't the best wrestling match Foley ever had?
do your googles and type in cactus jack brehs.
this goes back to what i was saying about a "classic" wwf match often times just being a regular day at the office for wcw.
this also goes back to what
@Art Barr said about wcw/nwa/etc guys having to be brought in to upp the quality. yall prolly didnt catch it because yall were too busy letting the wwf lie to you and have you believe that those guys were wwf-created stars, when in reality, they were already established.
and theyre doing the same thing now with these roh cats, while undeservingly passing off the glory to their own homegrowns on the sly. thats low-key one of the things cm punk was mad about.
hbk never had more intangibles on macho's level.
let alone actual talent that resulted in the same type of draw.
macho dwarf's hbk in any and every category and he was a better more advanced high flyer as well.
as again, hbk was dated by a decade.
while macho, was pretty much flying across the ring like rvd's five star like fifteen years predating this.
art barr
yea. savage was way before his time.
he has to be the earliest example ive seen of a wrestler piledriving someone thru a table via ICW.
and yea, i never could quite put my finger on it firmly enough to put it into words. i always thought hbk was just sloppy, but you said it better. HIS STYLE WAS ALWAYS DATED and played out.
warrior's push coincided exactly with all of this including his ppv debut being at WMIV which, of course, was a gigantic spectacle. lifestyles of the rich and famous and all the vignettes for dibiase...bob uecker, vanna white...atlantic city etc. all of this was huge crossover and entertainment stuff with Macho working his ass off in every match. rude and jake ended in a draw..jake was popular and warrior had beaten rude before...plus warrior went over at the ppv without being involved in the tournament. that was significant for warrior's growth, particularly in this setting since he was not good in the ring other than his theatrics and looks...and that he beat a Heenan guy (someone who was prominently featured) and did so right after the Jake/Rude draw.
the momentum continued and grew with warrior alongside the macho/liz era with warrior pretty much always going over...he got the IC belt and was in a Goldberg zone in terms of winning then ultimately (no pun intended) collided with Hogan and won. Warrior deserves a lot of credit, sure...was he a draw? absolutely..but you cannot deny that WWF built him up perfectly during this huge era for that exact moment nor can you deny that WWF itself played a role in said news coverage becoming limited afterwards at best due to those threatened law-suits. bret and hbk were never singularly the draw warrior was during that brief period, no, but the conditions for them to be weren't quite as ideal for them as it was for Warrior. like i said Warrior deserves a lot of credit..but with the muscle-man super hero gimmick being at its peak, alongside andre/hogan/macho popularity..a good portion was right place right time. the stars aligned for the ultimate warrior and stars dont align that well very often. warrior knew it deep down too. his legacy, like many in all genres, is bulked up by it's immense popularity in a limited time-frame. i dont think warrior would be viewed as favorably if he stayed in the business consistently for a long time..he knew he reached his pinnacle and only re-emerged when he thought it had the possibility to be close to that again (vs Hogan in WCW)...he didnt want to experience the slow downturn in popularity that 95% of wrestlers inevitably experience
warrior didnt care about the bolded like that breh. that was always one of the things he was criticized for. his lack of love for the business. so you cant turn around and try to put that on him too. its either one or the other.
everybodies success coincides with something dog. and if he was just in the right place/right time like youre painting it, then they could easily make another warrior. the same way theres guys in the promotion right now that have already surpassed hbk & bret in what they excelled at.
and lets not pretend that vince hasnt ALWAYS been favorable to the monsters and super heroes, no matter what the era. hence, the reason why cena & batista have been at the forefront for the past decade. and theyre still not the warrior.
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