Goldberg is bigger than Michaels. Now a non draw is Macho level? Hahaha...The gall of it all.
ALL TIME....THE HEART BREAK KID SHAWN MICHAELS...or the MACHO MAN RANDY SAVAGE...REAL simple
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42 votes..haha...ain't no black/latino(not the sissified ones at least) gonna say Shawn Michaels is better than Macho Man. They always expose themselves...The undercover whites..The racists...dudes who hate dark skinned chicks...showing themselves yet again. Lol.
uh not to that level because if there isnt another right place right time they cant. no place or time will ever be as good as the one warrior benefited from (andre/hogan/macho wave). and you know what..Ryback was a mini warrior but his push got randomly halted. he was super over. Goldberg surpassed Warrior easily due to equal popularity (at least) and he had a longer career and was better in the ring by a country mile. Reigns is on his way too. Both of these two got over because of epic winning streaks, power and the mystique of barely talking. Warrior obviously is way above Ryback (its not close) as a draw at their peaks but it was similar in fashion. Ryback even had the body splash and military press, how over were those moves now? they put people to sleep unless 1) the body splash is by a super heavyweight and 2) the press is done to a heavyweight...if the body splash was used as a finisher now by someone not heavy? itd be teh worst finisher in the business.
Cena also has gotten over due to epic winning as a major baby face despite limited move-set..but he can actually cut a promo. Warrior was a mega draw for a very short time but what actual value did he bring to the company? Who did he put over? Who did he make look good and not squash? How long was his draw continued into the future for money? The answers are: Very little, no one, no one and very little.
and who in the company has surpassed hbk and bret in what they excelled at? no one right now "in what they excelled at" can be put above either of them in any list, at all.
I hear what you saying bruh but in wrestling ability HBK is like a 10 and Savage is like a 9
In terms of personality and draw, Savage is like a 9 and HBK is like a 5.
This is not an equal comparison here....
cant say the bolded either.
i'd say that hbk is more technically sound but overall, hes not as good of a worker as savage.
Cena is a bigger star than Macho Man was.
Justin Bieber is a bigger star than Nas
More commercial success doesn't imply greater artistic merit
cena is not a bigger star than macho man.
not even close bub.
lol. i didnt know that i bought ppvs because of john cena. especially wrestlemanias.
people need to stop acting like this is boxing and stop pretending that people buy these ppvs to see one wrestler/match. i hate when this argument is brought up.
unless youre a TRU DRAW like a hulk hogan or somebody, im not trying to hear it.
i'd bet that the rock has the worst ratio out of those names by far, unless you count all of ric flair's countout & DQ losses.
they made sure that the rock knew his role and remembered that he was black.
we gonna act like bret wasnt main eventing in wcw when they had the most star-studded roster?
he had more help than all of those guys and didnt do anything with it.
Cena is bigger than Michaels too and if THAT don't hurt, I don't know what does
OWW OWW.
THE UNDERCOVER OTHERS
uh not to that level because if there isnt another right place right time they cant. no place or time will ever be as good as the one warrior benefited from (andre/hogan/macho wave). and you know what..Ryback was a mini warrior but his push got randomly halted. he was super over. Goldberg surpassed Warrior easily due to equal popularity (at least) and he had a longer career and was better in the ring by a country mile. Reigns is on his way too. Both of these two got over because of epic winning streaks, power and the mystique of barely talking. Warrior obviously is way above Ryback (its not close) as a draw at their peaks but it was similar in fashion. Ryback even had the body splash and military press, how over were those moves now? they put people to sleep unless 1) the body splash is by a super heavyweight and 2) the press is done to a heavyweight...if the body splash was used as a finisher now by someone not heavy? itd be teh worst finisher in the business.
Cena also has gotten over due to epic winning as a major baby face despite limited move-set..but he can actually cut a promo. Warrior was a mega draw for a very short time but what actual value did he bring to the company? Who did he put over? Who did he make look good and not squash? How long was his draw continued into the future for money? The answers are: Very little, no one, no one and very little.
and who in the company has surpassed hbk and bret in what they excelled at? no one right now "in what they excelled at" can be put above either of them in any list, at all.
how so? by your logic, shouldnt jake the snake, brutus beefcake & jim duggan be as big as the warrior too? yall just dont want to give dude credit for nothin.
cena was never really over all like that. and i'll take the warrior's matches, promos, everything over cena anyday.
warrior didnt stick around long enough to compile a big list of people who he put over. i'd say that he put rick rude over as a main eventer, in the eyes of marks at least. and he gave papa shango a legacy to run with.
1. I should hope so, its not difficult for anyone that is.
2. We, at least I am, not talking about Warrior. We are talking about Macho Man Randy Savage a guy who's career actually spans LONGER than HBK's. I'm just now reading this thread, so I'm still focused at the topic at hand. HBK doesn't trump Savage in all of those catergories
3. <-- 3, not 2, you are smarter than this
To answer your question, I have HBK higher than Savage based on body of work mostly. I just think that he had more great matches (by a lot IMO), and was truly great for longer.
Admittedly, Savage was in his prime in the 80's when having showstealing matches wasn't really emphasized, and he in fact gets credit for helping to steer the business in that direction, but when I'm ranking the GOATs, I'm going with "which best-of DVD am I keeping if I had to pick one?". If someone else prefers Macho Man matches, or ranks based on different criteria (impact, persona, promos, whatever), that's fair enough.
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You think the only thing that separated Warrior from Ryback was timing and a strong push?uh not to that level because if there isnt another right place right time they cant. no place or time will ever be as good as the one warrior benefited from (andre/hogan/macho wave). and you know what..Ryback was a mini warrior but his push got randomly halted. he was super over. Goldberg surpassed Warrior easily due to equal popularity (at least) and he had a longer career and was better in the ring by a country mile. Reigns is on his way too. Both of these two got over because of epic winning streaks, power and the mystique of barely talking. Warrior obviously is way above Ryback (its not close) as a draw at their peaks but it was similar in fashion. Ryback even had the body splash and military press, how over were those moves now? they put people to sleep unless 1) the body splash is by a super heavyweight and 2) the press is done to a heavyweight...if the body splash was used as a finisher now by someone not heavy? itd be teh worst finisher in the business.
Cena also has gotten over due to epic winning as a major baby face despite limited move-set..but he can actually cut a promo. Warrior was a mega draw for a very short time but what actual value did he bring to the company? Who did he put over? Who did he make look good and not squash? How long was his draw continued into the future for money? The answers are: Very little, no one, no one and very little.
and who in the company has surpassed hbk and bret in what they excelled at? no one right now "in what they excelled at" can be put above either of them in any list, at all.
wrestling exists outside of the wwf breh.
the fact that randy savage's matches were held high-regard on the same plateau as what was going on in other promotions, especially the NWA, says all you need to know about macho.
hell, ric flair wanted him in the nwa.
nobody was clamoring for hbk to jump ship to turner. not even his homebwoys.
Who the fukk would watch a greatest of Michaels dvd over a Savage one? Wtf...hahaha. let's get this str8...Michaels is known mostly for the screw job. That's it. His Matches at WM aren't even talked about anymore. It's like he died without actually being dead.
no. i said "mini warrior". warrior had 15x more charisma and more compelling promos when given the chance. ryback has been decent with the mic and is amusing but he barely spoke when he was at his peak so thats a moot point
on the other hand the mid card and IC belt meant a whole lot more and jobber squashes meant more as well. after a little while it was like alright ryback, enough dismantling of two local super jobbers that weigh 100 lbs
i gave warrior credit in prior posts.
jake was pretty damn popular. never the draw that warrior was but underplay jake.
beefcake?
duggan got really over too actually..but no he doesnt fit my criteria or logic. did he look like a superhero and get pushed to the moon at the peak of wrestling popularity (outside of nWo era)? no to both.
honestly you dont know what youre talking about. i dont like cena much but warrior matches over some of cenas?
gtfohhe gave papa shango a legacy to run with?
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Right but you can't teach charisma. You either have it or you don't. Some have none, some have a little, some have a lot.
Warrior had A LOT.
And ultimately that is why he is one of the biggest stars of all time. It was more than just right place, right time. He was the ONLY guy at that time who the people believed could beat Hulk Hogan.
It takes TALENT to get people behind like you that. Sure the push helps but you gotta deliver too. Vince gave Warrior the ball and Warrior ran for the touchdown.
I just hate this revisionist narrative - not saying you believe it or not - that Warrior was just some interchangeable muscle dude who didn't have the talent to become a star on his own. Someone that burned that bright obviously had the fire in them to begin with.
To answer your question, I have HBK higher than Savage based on body of work mostly. I just think that he had more great matches (by a lot IMO), and was truly great for longer.
Admittedly, Savage was in his prime in the 80's when having showstealing matches wasn't really emphasized, and he in fact gets credit for helping to steer the business in that direction, but when I'm ranking the GOATs, I'm going with "which best-of DVD am I keeping if I had to pick one?". If someone else prefers Macho Man matches, or ranks based on different criteria (impact, persona, promos, whatever), that's fair enough.
Bruh you acting like nothing Macho did outside the WWE matters. Macho was putting on classics when HBK wasn't even a Rocker