ALL TIME....THE HEART BREAK KID SHAWN MICHAELS...or the MACHO MAN RANDY SAVAGE...REAL simple

[Wacky D]

This is false. Has nothing to do with anyone being forced on anyone In addition to being better workers and having better matches, those two are directly responsible for the buggest boom period in history. Warrior had huge, moments when he beat honky at SS 88/Hogan at WM 6, but his overall impact in the business pales in comparison to hart/Michaels. That last sentence is ridiculous on all levels. Exposed? How so?

the only thing hbk & bret are responsible for is nearly putting the wwf out-of-business.

wcw/nwo/hulk hogan sparked that entire boom period long befoe the little survivor series stunt.

stop rewriting history.

There's the unpalatable truth that, compared to HBK in his 40's, Macho was a lumbering roided out stiff by his 40's. That's kind of his fault. HBK retained like 80% of his prime athleticism, Macho Man lost like 90% of his.


HBK in WCW at Macho's age (same age bracket he was still putting on classics in WWE) would at least have had awesome matches. The talent he could have worked with there



Savage's prime was short like leprechauns. You guys who were young marks in the late 80's just view him through a lens of nostalgia

from icw to wcw, savage was poppin for close to 2 decades. how was his reign short like leprechauns?

wwf matches are held to lower standards than wcw and other promotions. a wwf clasic is often times equivalent to just another match in wcw.

Warrior is more like Vanilla Ice than Biggie. Blew up briefly on some hype/gimmick shyt, didn't have the actual talent to back it up so it didn't last. I say that as someone who liked Warrior.
Putting him above HBK is like putting Vanilla Ice above Nas because he had a bigger "mainstream moment".

lol @ "it didnt last".

in order to make a statement like that, warrior would have had to fall off at some point.

 

[The G.O.D II]

sure thing Hunter




warrior didn't have more charisma than bret and hbk??

i wonder how warrior's legacy would look if that DVD was never released, cause that to me feels like when all the usual slander towards warrior was started. "he couldn't work", "he wasn't talented"... it's bullshyt. even jericho claimed on his podcast that when the DVD was being made that everyone was directed to say negative things.

warrior is one the greatest talents the wrestling business has ever seen. like scott hall once said, you can't force an arena full of people to stand up and scream for you. so if warrior was lacking in all these departments then perhaps you could tell me why he was a bigger star and more popular than both bret and shawn combined.



if vince could just hype any old random dude to the moon than how come he couldn't hype hbk up that level???

i mean hbk had the talent right? what's his excuse?

You are an irrational fan boy. No point in debating anymore. Can't even use basic logic outside...bu...bu.....but ppl cheered for him.

 

[Da King]

Name 20 Randy classic matches brehs


You can't


HBGOAT has more Mania classics then randy has classics

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

You are an irrational fan boy. No point in debating anymore. Can't even use basic logic outside...bu...bu.....but ppl cheered for him.

uh, what else are supposed to latch onto here?? is fan response NOT an indicator of value anymore??

the question isn't just why did fans cheer more for warrior, but why DIDN'T they cheer for bret and hbk like they did warrior. why WEREN'T they as popular.

according to you they were supposedly better in every category right? so how come everyone else couldn't see it?

 

[Wacky D]

You are an irrational fan boy. No point in debating anymore. Can't even use basic logic outside...bu...bu.....but ppl cheered for him.

his post is on point.

he was more over and profitable than bret & shawn combined.

youre better off just saying that they were superior workers, which is true. but theyre not touchin the warrior in star status. bret & shawn were failures actually.

this is why randy savage is better. he was the total package. a great worker and an iconic superstar.

 

[MartyMcFly]

My heart says Shawn but my mind is going with the Macho Man. I'm stuck

 

[The G.O.D II]

uh, what else are supposed to latch onto here?? is fan response NOT an indicator of value anymore??

the question isn't just why did fans cheer more for warrior, but why DIDN'T they cheer for bret and hbk like they did warrior. why WEREN'T they as popular.

according to you they were supposedly better in every category right? so how come everyone else couldn't see it?

Warrior was on top for a year and flamed out. And you are using two totally different time periods. Warrior came back in 96 and 98 and didn't exactly set the world on fire did he. And for all intents and purposes his first title run was a flop as business dipped when he had the belt.

 

[showtime]

Michael and triple h as D-X and feuding with hart laid the early seeds of the biggest period in professional wrestling history. I get goosebumps thinking about how Michaels would've fit into that era. As for who is better. We're huge savage fans. HBK says he stole the idea of a million different sets of entrance gear from savage. What sets Michaels overboard is his comeback. He broke his back in 1998 at 32, going on 33. Herniated one disc and crushed another two. He had spinal fusion surgery and was supposed to never lace his boots up again. He got back in the ring at 37 and wrestled until he was a few months short of turning 45. He wrestled a great number of his best matches in that period, even with his knees all messed up too. His comeback match in Uniondale at summerslam 2002, the elimination chamber in Madison square garden at the survivor series and the 2/3 falls match at Armageddon the next month. Him and Jericho stealing the show on maybe the most stacked mania card ever XIX. Him challenging for the title on the last raw of 2003 in San antonio. The last man standing match at the 2004 Royal rumble. The triple threat matches with h and benoit at mania 20 and backlash. The hell in a cell match at bad blood. His 5 star classic with kurt angle at wrestlemania 21. He got good matches that fall out of 50+ year old hogan and from Chris masters. He wrestled a 57 minute classic for free on raw in 2007 against Cena with the GOAT finish that you can script for it, and of course taker at mania. Lets not forget his matches in 2008 with Jericho either. he had the 2004-2010 match of the year and might very well have had the 2002 and 2003 matches of the year too. I think he did in 2002 personally. He was in 3 of the top 5. I didn't see much of savage when it happened so I can't say much regarding him, but I saw how great HBK was. He gets my vote.

This is wrong the NWO laid the early seeds of the biggest period in wrestling history. DX and the attitude era is what grew out of those seeds being planted. Also it's not just about who had more classic matches which determines who is better there's a lot more that goes into it then that.

 

[The G.O.D II]

his post is on point.

he was more over and profitable than bret & shawn combined.

youre better off just saying that they were superior workers, which is true. but theyre not touchin the warrior in star status. bret & shawn were failures actually.

this is why randy savage is better. he was the total package. a great worker and an iconic superstar.

Over the totality of careers? I doubt it. He may have made more, but he didn't draw more. Like I said earlier, he flopped in 90. They had to run back to Hogan in less then a year. More ppl know Bret/Shawn because they had longer, more impactful careers. Warrior was truly a flash in a pan.

 

[Alexander The Great]

Michael and triple h as D-X and feuding with hart laid the early seeds of the biggest period in professional wrestling history. I get goosebumps thinking about how Michaels would've fit into that era..

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

sure thing Hunter

Show me one, mark.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Warrior was on top for a year and flamed out. And you are using two totally different time periods. Warrior came back in 96 and 98 and didn't exactly set the world on fire did he. And for all intents and purposes his first title run was a flop as business dipped when he had the belt.

he left the WWF under his own accord after summerslam 91.

he was still the 2nd biggest star in the world next to hogan.

and that "dip" in business when warrior was champ still shyts on anything bret and shawn ever did.

http://www.2xzone.com/wwe/buyrates.shtml#.VDF5cuceL4g

warrior's first title defense on PPV was summerslam 1990. buyrate was approx 507,000.

bret and shawn's iron match at mania 12 - 290,000.


not sayin buyrates are the be all and end all cause the business model obviously changed over time, but at the end of the day warrior had more eyes glued to the WWF than bret or shawn ever did.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Show me one, mark.

show you what

 

[The G.O.D II]

the only thing hbk & bret are responsible for is nearly putting the wwf out-of-business.

wcw/nwo/hulk hogan sparked that entire boom period long befoe the little survivor series stunt.

stop rewriting history.





from icw to wcw, savage was poppin for close to 2 decades. how was his reign short like leprechauns?

wwf matches are held to lower standards than wcw and other promotions. a wwf clasic is often times equivalent to just another match in wcw.




lol @ "it didnt last".

in order to make a statement like that, warrior would have had to fall off at some point.

False. Multitude of factors went into WWF down period. General disinterest in the product long before they were top. Mcmahon steriod trial. His foolish BWF shyt. And lets be honest, NWO was only hufe in wrestling circles. They weren't huge transcedent stars like Rock, DX, SCSA in terms of mainstream exposure. And thats more on WCW imcompetence. But yes, without no screwjob there is no Mcmahon, thus no huge heel for Austin and no record breaking PPV buys, house shows, etc. No Michaels advocating edgier product and being obnoxuis, no attitude era. Facts. Not fan boy reminiscing from childhood days

 

[The G.O.D II]

he left the WWF under his own accord after summerslam 91.

he was still the 2nd biggest star in the world next to hogan.

and that "dip" in business when warrior was champ still shyts on anything bret and shawn ever did.

http://www.2xzone.com/wwe/buyrates.shtml#.VDF5cuceL4g

warrior's first title defense on PPV was summerslam 1990. buyrate was approx 507,000.

bret and shawn's iron match at mania 12 - 290,000.


not sayin buyrates are the be all and end all cause the business model obviously changed over time, but at the end of the day warrior had more eyes glued to the WWF than bret or shawn ever did.

What don't you understand about different time periods? Post some house show number from Warrior and compare before and after. He didn't quit he was fired twice(after SS and after no showing before Surv ser 92) He quit in 96.