All Jokes Aside: LeBron Ruined the NBA: Update Stephen A Agrees

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Yup. Good team. Old hardened soldier types who could still get it done. But calling it a superteam is mischaracterizing things. Thankfully they didn’t join up five years earlier as that would’ve been a real problem.
Exactly

Then out in the weaker east where a team like that will have no problems making to the playoffs and competing.

They were just a well-balanced team. I actually just consider them the “Big 3 Celtics” because despite still being talented with popular names, no one was really a superstar-caliber or mvp-caliber player anymore that just teamed up with another mvp-caliber player and added another all-star methodically. Bron did that though
 

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This

Bron stans trying hard to not admit that these dudes were definitely past their prime

Only thing is they all knew there roles and was still pretty good at it. KG as a lowpost defender/scorer, Ray Allen as a shooter, PP as an all-around scorer, drafted a young Rondo who would hardly score but made the offense run perfectly, a hof coach, a solid bench, etc.


They were a good team immediately because of all that, and a superteam that no one cared got formed because the Big 3 were all considered past their prime. Not to mention being in the east

it was proven they were somewhat still in their prime in this very thread


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I find it funny two of LeBron's rings were directly because of 2 of the most clutch plays in sports history (Ray and Kyrie)
 

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what's happening with the Nets is an embarrassment to the NBA... the seeds were planted by LeBron in 2010... no need for competition, lets just join forces and win manufactured rings.

There's a reason why the ratings and general interest in the NBA is at its all time low.. all under the LeBron administration.:francis:


Update: SAS agrees


remember when talking heads said “super teams will help the NBA” :mjlol:
 

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NBA should pass a rule, you can only sign ONE buyout player if you have a certain record and you can’t sign NO buyout players if you have a certain record. Also add in player injury exemptions. For example is Lebron/ Durant is out for the “season” not just a few weeks
 

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NBA should pass a rule, you can only sign ONE buyout player if you have a certain record and you can’t sign NO buyout players if you have a certain record. Also add in player injury exemptions. For example is Lebron/ Durant is out for the “season” not just a few weeks
Why? :dwillhuh:

U realize it’s the fans that put players at a pedestal. BG was a washed bum just a few weeks ago.

Why not just get rid of free agency entirely? Truly it seems like that’s what y’all want
 
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Are you old enough to have watched the NBA during Mike's run? MJ was the best in the game hands down but what's the one thing the media always said about him, "he doesn't have a ring."

Wins his first title then they crown him but "Magic has more."

That sounds like stans creating the narrative to you?

Ring culture has been here since they handed out rings.

It was on accident.. White folks started that ring talk to negate MJs relevancy as far as his style of play was concerned.... but once the good Dr. Stern found a way to make billions off of Jordan’s likeness and style of play..... MJ became the narrative as opposed to the ring narrative
 

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analytics ruined the NBA not Lebron

Lebron aint the one who started the trend of just jacking up 3s every time down the court

thats what really ruined the NBA
Analytics didn't ruin the NBA.

The Yankee mentality of "If you didn't win a title, your season is a failure" helped ruin the NBA.

LeBron leaving Cleveland didn't ruin the NBA. In fact, people wanted that. He just went to a team and market that many people resent (if LeBron and Bosh went to the Knicks and won 2 rings, NY would have made any Jordan = GOAT talk irrelevant.)

It got really bad with Durant having the ability to go to GS. If you wanna hold LeBron somewhat accountable for anything, it's giving the Warriors the cap stimulus of a lifetime.
 
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Boston was a super team by the old standard of the term but Bron and Wade (Wade always gets a pass but he should get just as much heat since he basically gave up once he handed the reins over) issued in a new type of superteam.

None of KG, Pierce, and Allen were considered consensus top 3 to top 5 players. They were all 30 and above as well. Age isn’t even the most important part tho. It’s there status in the NBA. You can be 30 and still be the best player in the NBA. At the time, they were not top 5 caliber players. KG was the only one who was even top 10.

Lebron and Wade were both widely regarded as top 5 players if not top 3 players in the NBA. Bosh was at worst top 15. All in there primes. It’s a clear difference

And you also have to look at the landscape of the NBA at the time. When Bron made his move, Boston had been proven to be beatable. There were no other teams with extreme amounts of talent. The intention was clear. They knew it was unprecedented. That Miami team was made to crush everyone.

Ignoring the age differences for a second, it’s like comparing a super team with KD, Lebron, and Jokic to a Superteam of Bradley Beal, Joel Embiid and Chris Paul :mjlol:. There’s a clear difference in caliber between the top groups.

Since then it’s been the craziest arms race with the deck stacking getting worse and worse.

So on one hand, yes I agree to an extent that Boston started it. But LeBron, as the budding face of the league, next in line in the GOAT convo, took it too a whole other level when realistically it was not necessary. Dude would’ve beaten Boston within the next 2 years without the drastic leap. Now KD has taken the mantle by 1 upping Bron. And they’ve been in a battle to just keep outdoing each other. Now any other star is forced to play that same game if they reasonably want to compete, which is a damn shame

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I also just remembered LeBron went life and death full 7 games series in 2012 while on his superteam against and old and geriatric Celtics team that included a 36 year old Garnett, 35 year old Pierce and a 36 year old Ray Allen. Pierce and Allen were so washed at that point they were shooting 35% FG from the field in that series.

The best player on that team was Rondo.:mjlol: Which really calls into question whether Bron has really been as good as the media claim him to be and many of his fans.

He certainly has been in a very priviledged position spending the vast majority of his prime on manufactured, handpicked superteams which was a priviledge many of his predecessors never could have attained.
 

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Analytics didn't ruin the NBA.

The Yankee mentality of "If you didn't win a title, your season is a failure" helped ruin the NBA.

LeBron leaving Cleveland didn't ruin the NBA. In fact, people wanted that. He just went to a team and market that many people resent (if LeBron and Bosh went to the Knicks and won 2 rings, NY would have made any Jordan = GOAT talk irrelevant.)

It got really bad with Durant having the ability to go to GS. If you wanna hold LeBron somewhat accountable for anything, it's giving the Warriors the cap stimulus of a lifetime.
The media was pushing the New York thing hard

Most people were expecting New York him doing The Decision in a Boy & Girls club in nearby Greenwich, Connecticut added fuel to the fire

It’s all narrative hypothetically...

LeBron, Wade, Stoudemire in NY=good

LeBron, Wade, Bosh in Miami=bad

Crazy ain’t it
 
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