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I keep asking why you brought up the Senate at all...if it was genuine curiosity, that's fine...It looked like a gotcha because I assumed you'd follow the legislation a bit more closely before bringing it up as an example of AOC not doing enough...also I'd characterize your implication that the Squad doesn't show effort on these causes as an attack but it's semantics.



Why ask that? It's not a complex question.



No one cares whether she's criticized or not. You demanded effort toward student loan debt, M4A, and the minimum wage; but it's hard to tell how aware you are of the actual efforts going toward the causes you care about.

- Medicare expansion via reducing the qualifying age and adding vision and dental is getting a push alongside the Infrastructure/Reconciliation fight.
- The 15 dollar minimum wage literally passed through the House where the Squad is situated,
- Student Loan Forgiveness being tax free is a step in the right direction of canceling student loan debt. Not enough? Maybe. But it's a sign of effort at the very least.

The Squad failing at performative measures is fair. I'd levy harsher critiques on AOC for her foreign policy postures than anything you've mentioned in terms of being performative. From a pragmatic point of view, and being realistic about what can and cannot be attained as a relatively small bloc of progressives in the confines of a big tent party...I think those steps all point toward actual effort.

I'd also add, that a chunk of the critiques lobbed at the Squad from the MPP and FTV crew seem specifically targeted at reducing support for the Democratic party (the goal not being to help Republicans, but rather to pull voters away from the Dems and toward a third party option that challenges the two).

AOC can handle being criticized by YouTubers. But my, and I'd argue many others', issue with the tact of targeting the Squad instead of actual no-votes is that I believe it undermines progress toward our shared goals. I don't buy the third party thing because there is no third party with significant influence to challenge these two parties and the system is built to keep the two parties in place. I think Influencers should be aiming to do:
a) target and pressure Dems that are impeding the progress toward our goals directly (ie: the people protesting outside of Sinema's office >>> the ones outside of AOC's imo)
b) amplify the bills that do pass the House in efforts to draw more attention to the policies we support and hopefully pressure those direct impediments aka no-votes from within the party
c) start to pick out districts with centrist Dems where we can put up challengers (regardless of party affiliation but I'd strategize via Democratic ticket) that openly acknowledge support for M4A, debt cancellation, etc.

So "aoc can take it" does nothing for me or anyone else. We're talking about getting this stuff passed and the nihilism that is pushed by treating the Squad like sellouts seems like a step backwards to me...though it is profitable for certain YouTubers who I'm not even sure actually care about these issues beyond how many clicks they generate.
I asked to know the information. I haven't been paying as close attention to politics lately do to complete loss of faith in the system. Especially if well meaning people still think the two party system is the only option and have no interest in third party movements.
 

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Imagine Unironically posting the New York Post.

Claims to be a progressive, posting literal right wing propaganda.


Are you Jimmy Dore???????????
You tell em'! Remember when they printed all that crap about Hunter Biden and got their account banned from twitter because it was deemed Russian propaganda!
Too bad Jack Dorsey apologized, gave them their account back and said they made an error and the CIA chief confirmed the story had no connection to Russia? :mjlol:
Dude just concentrate on the message not the messenger it's not an effective misdirect.
 

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I asked to know the information. I haven't been paying as close attention to politics lately do to complete loss of faith in the system. Especially if well meaning people still think the two party system is the only option and have no interest in third party movements.

So you're critical of legislators efforts to pass legislation without paying attention to what's going on with the actual legislation?
 

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So you're critical of legislators efforts to pass legislation without paying attention to what's going on with the actual legislation?
Not close attention. If $15 actually passed into law or not I know but the rest you are right I didn't know the particulars. :yeshrug: I named 3 things and didn't have it right on 1. And once informed I gave kudos Not good enough?
 
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You tell em'! Remember when they printed all that crap about Hunter Biden and got their account banned from twitter because it was deemed Russian propaganda!
Too bad Jack Dorsey apologized, gave them their account back and said they made an error and the CIA chief confirmed the story had no connection to Russia? :mjlol:
Dude just concentrate on the message not the messenger it's not an effective misdirect.

Yes let me take stories from fukking Rupert Murdoch owned media at face value. FOH dude

:camby:

Why people keep brining up Hunter Biden like he's an elected official who fukking cares.
 

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Yes let me take stories from fukking Rupert Murdoch owned media at face value. FOH dude

:camby:

Why people keep brining up Hunter Biden like he's an elected official who fukking cares.
Refute the misinformation contained or take your own advice. The Post is subject to libel law like everyone else. If they are lying or slandering regularly they wouldn't be around anymore.
 
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Refute the misinformation contained or take your own advice. The Post is subject to libel law like everyone else. If they are lying or slandering regularly they wouldn't be around anymore.
You've already got my response, and I find it weird how overtly critical you are of politicians actually fighting the good fight vs the ones that are seemingly evil as fukk. A bit suspect if you ask me but whatever. Keep taking right propaganda at face value dude. Very Jimmy Dore/Glenn Greenwaldesque shyt
 

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You've already got my response, and I find it weird how overtly critical you are of politicians actually fighting the good fight vs the ones that are seemingly evil as fukk. A bit suspect if you ask me but whatever. Keep taking right propaganda at face value dude. Very Jimmy Dore/Glenn Greenwaldesque shyt
I'm Democrat not a Republican complaining about people I don't vote for or agree with is pretty pointless. I"m the opposition my criticisms would fall on deaf ears anyway.
If you have other information or see a lie in their reporting please point it out. Otherwise, I have no choice. This is a publisher that's been around for 2 centuries, but I should listen to you saying don't believe what you are reading based on nothing but your word and how reprehensible their current owner is? Na, it doesn't work that way.
 
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I'm Democrat not a Republican complaining about people I don't vote for or agree with is pretty pointless. I"m the opposition my criticisms would fall on deaf ears anyway.
If you have other information or see a lie in their reporting please point it out. Otherwise, I have no choice. This is a publisher that's been around for 2 centuries, but I should listen to you saying don't believe what you are reading based on nothing but your word and how reprehensible their current owner is? Na, it doesn't work that way.

Who is talking about Republicans? I already pointed out that I don't see you in the Student debt thread rightfully bytching about Nancy's comments on Student debt. You just keep attacking and hammering away at the only people who are actually good and trying to make a difference tho which right off the bat makes me suspicious along with the bullshyt of being told I should take right wing propaganda at face value. It's garbage
 
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Who is talking about Republicans? I already pointed out that I don't see you in the Student debt thread rightfully bytching about Nancy's comments on Student debt. You just keep attacking and hammering away at the only people who are actually good and trying to make a difference tho which right off the bat makes me suspect along with the bullshyt of being told I should take right wing propaganda at face value. It's garbage
I'm not hammering anyone. I don't up this thread with critical tweets about AOC that's someone else. And sorry I don't post in the exact manner you see fit. Not really, but you get the figure of speech. lol
 

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People think they're so clever for saying cruel and horrible things about AOC!
 
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