are you fukking 12?
Alexandria Ocasio Cortez - "Not All Dems Are The Same"
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AnonymityX1000
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But you are the one calling people losers. Are you 12? lol
Lol this fakkit had nothing for this.
Let's pretend you aren't 59 fakkit ass indians. What's cool about your bytch ass sitting on a Friday at a bar with a laptop doing work?
Every character you play is a bytch ass loser nap
@Mook hates Nap so much he's supporting a 1% loons attack on a champion for the working class.
Pretty much sums up the last page though
Naps a neo liberal on the take, I hope he dies. Susan fell for the propoganda machine, lots of cacs did. They're pretty stupid and feel safe and untouchable, shes still a real progressive.
Omar and AOC are in on the take. Anyone that doesn't believe this hasn't been a progressive long enough to see themselves get burned.
Foot on neck to anyone dishonest and we don't fall for the same scam twice.
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Do they? Someone linked you to 15 dollar minimum wage passing the House and you immediately asked about the Senate...what does AOC have to do with legislation getting through the Senate?
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Yes, people like when you pass legislation that helps their lives. I thought that was basic.
Nothing, I named three things and they did one. Kudos for that one the other two what happened? She ran on among other things getting a floor vote on M4A.
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Why is she a loon?@Mook hates Nap so much he's supporting a 1% loons attack on a champion for the working class.
Pretty much sums up the last page though
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, You're literally attacking AOC for not getting things done. Someone pointed out legislation that passed the House and you pivoted to the Senate. I'm asking you why you decided to bring up the Senate at all instead of acknowledging that it was a good thing? Seemed like a goal post move to continue attacking AOC for not wielding her power.They did two. That student debt forgiveness might not be all the way to what we want, but it impacts a bunch of public sector and non-profit workers. It's similar to the push to reduce the Medicare age-limit and expand coverage to include dental and vision. They're pushing the ball in the right direction and in significant ways despite opposition from both the Republicans and members of the Democratic party. If you think the progressives with their small voting bloc should just block everything until the legislation is exactly where progressives want them to wind up, that's cool...I don't think it's pragmatic or realistic, but that's on you. To paint AOC and the Squad as not even showing effort (which you did) is beyond reaching though.
Here are a couple other pieces of progressive legislation that are notable which the House has passed.
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House passes sweeping voting rights bill over GOP opposition
And that's not to mention the current Infrastructure battle which progressives have been a part of and vocally opposed certain attempts to water down the bill (although whether this is a losing battle remains to be seen).
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Jesus is supportive of everyone I thought? Makes sense to me. lol"I think Jesus would be very supportive of John Edwards"
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I'm not attacking AOC, I like AOC but no one is above being criticized. And I just acknowledged it was a good thing I said kudos on $15 passing the House. What are you talking about?
They did two. That student debt forgiveness might not be all the way to what we want, but it impacts a bunch of public sector and non-profit workers. It's similar to the push to reduce the Medicare age-limit and expand coverage to include dental and vision. They're pushing the ball in the right direction and in significant ways despite opposition from both the Republicans and members of the Democratic party. If you think the progressives with their small voting bloc should just block everything until the legislation is exactly where progressives want them to wind up, that's cool...I don't think it's pragmatic or realistic, but that's on you. To paint AOC and the Squad as not even showing effort (which you did) is beyond reaching though.
Here are a couple other pieces of progressive legislation that are notable which the House has passed.
NPR Cookie Consent and Choices
House passes sweeping voting rights bill over GOP opposition
And that's not to mention the current Infrastructure battle which progressives have been a part of and vocally opposed certain attempts to water down the bill (although whether this is a losing battle remains to be seen).
Yeah, the student loan debt forgiveness is not nearly enough. They need to show more effort and be on Biden and Pelosi's neck more. They do the opposite and give them compliments. They deserve criticism for that. And really AOC being criticized by YouTubers isn't some hardship for her. It's part of the job, she should be able to take it. If you are the Progressive House member the most on front street in the media you are going to get the most criticism that's basic.
Until you go to hell
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I keep asking why you brought up the Senate at all...if it was genuine curiosity, that's fine...It looked like a gotcha because I assumed you'd follow the legislation a bit more closely before bringing it up as an example of AOC not doing enough...also I'd characterize your implication that the Squad doesn't show effort on these causes as an attack but it's semantics.
Why ask that? It's not a complex question.
No one cares whether she's criticized or not. You demanded effort toward student loan debt, M4A, and the minimum wage; but it's hard to tell how aware you are of the actual efforts going toward the causes you care about.
- Medicare expansion via reducing the qualifying age and adding vision and dental is getting a push alongside the Infrastructure/Reconciliation fight.
- The 15 dollar minimum wage literally passed through the House where the Squad is situated,
- Student Loan Forgiveness being tax free is a step in the right direction of canceling student loan debt. Not enough? Maybe. But it's a sign of effort at the very least.
The Squad failing at performative measures is fair. I'd levy harsher critiques on AOC for her foreign policy postures than anything you've mentioned in terms of being performative. From a pragmatic point of view, and being realistic about what can and cannot be attained as a relatively small bloc of progressives in the confines of a big tent party...I think those steps all point toward actual effort.
I'd also add, that a chunk of the critiques lobbed at the Squad from the MPP and FTV crew seem specifically targeted at reducing support for the Democratic party (the goal not being to help Republicans, but rather to pull voters away from the Dems and toward a third party option that challenges the two).
AOC can handle being criticized by YouTubers. But my, and I'd argue many others', issue with the tact of targeting the Squad instead of actual no-votes is that I believe it undermines progress toward our shared goals. I don't buy the third party thing because there is no third party with significant influence to challenge these two parties and the system is built to keep the two parties in place. I think Influencers should be aiming to do:
a) target and pressure Dems that are impeding the progress toward our goals directly (ie: the people protesting outside of Sinema's office >>> the ones outside of AOC's imo)
b) amplify the bills that do pass the House in efforts to draw more attention to the policies we support and hopefully pressure those direct impediments aka no-votes from within the party
c) start to pick out districts with centrist Dems where we can put up challengers (regardless of party affiliation but I'd strategize via Democratic ticket) that openly acknowledge support for M4A, debt cancellation, etc.
So "aoc can take it" does nothing for me or anyone else. We're talking about getting this stuff passed and the nihilism that is pushed by treating the Squad like sellouts seems like a step backwards to me...though it is profitable for certain YouTubers who I'm not even sure actually care about these issues beyond how many clicks they generate.
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Imagine believing Illhan fukking Omar is on the take. What a completely insane thing to sayNaps a neo liberal on the take, I hope he dies. Susan fell for the propoganda machine, lots of cacs did. They're pretty stupid and feel safe and untouchable, shes still a real progressive.
Omar and AOC are in on the take. Anyone that doesn't believe this hasn't been a progressive long enough to see themselves get burned.
Foot on neck to anyone dishonest and we don't fall for the same scam twice.