Alexandria Ocasio Cortez - "Not All Dems Are The Same"

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[EndDomination]

Each and every one of these Lincoln Project guys is an absolute grifter - no question about it.

 

[Uncle Phil 36]

If she ends up leaving Congress, she'll be able to cash out if she wants

 

[KillerB88]

I agree that phrasing matters, but efficacy is measured by conversion of the uninitiated, not by the existence of bad-faith retorts like "All/Blue Lives Matter". Which is what you were positing when you pointed to it as evidence of BLM being a bad slogan. I would be interested to hear what slogan you would choose to replace Black Lives Matter with, that would both just as strongly maintain the un-co-optable centrality of blackness while making bad-faith retorts from white bigots impossible, or even less likely.

I mean... if BLM was called All Lives Matter from the start-- that would probably be a good jumping off point. How would dissenters counter All Lives Matter?

 

[FAH1223]

Never Trumpers and MSNBC Liberal hosts now going at it

Thank you for winning Biden

 

[AnonymityX1000]

I mean... if BLM was called All Lives Matter from the start-- that would probably be a good jumping off point. How would dissenters counter All Lives Matter?

"A cop's number one job is to get home safely to his family. Harping on some isolated incidents is undermining their ability to defend themselves. I say Blue Lives Matter as much as anyone else's!"

 

[KillerB88]

"A cop's number one job is to get home safely to his family. Harping on some isolated incidents is undermining their ability to defend themselves. I say Blue Lives Matter as much as anyone else's!"

You tried. But there would be no Blue Lives slogan had BLM been All Lives Matter from the jump. It has better international appeal as well.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

You tried. But there would be no Blue Lives slogan had BLM been All Lives Matter from the jump. It has better international appeal as well.

Change it to Cop Lives Matter then.
You act like the demonizing of terms has to make sense. It doesn't as long as it muddies the water it's useful.

 

[Conan]

Black people on here attacking Black Lives Matter (the slogan)?

 

[KillerB88]

Change it to Cop Lives Matter then.
You act like the demonizing of terms has to make sense. It doesn't as long as it muddies the water it's useful.

The fallacy in your argument is that the slogan was tribalized mainly because they chose BLM to begin with. If you look at the people actively supporting the movement, it was a diverse group. You only stand to strengthen the impact by having more strategic branding. You can never fully quell the ignorance of your opposition, but you can do yourself a favor by putting the ball in their court and forcing them to take the blatantly divisive stance. Now it becomes ALL of us vs THEM, which is much more powerful.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

The fallacy in your argument is that the slogan was tribalized mainly because they chose BLM to begin with. If you look at the people actively supporting the movement, it was a diverse group. You only stand to strengthen the impact by having more strategic branding. You can never fully quell the ignorance of your opposition, but you can do yourself a favor by putting the ball in their court and forcing them to take the blatantly divisive stance. Now it becomes ALL of us vs them, which is much more powerful.

It's not divisive enough to be unsympathetic to Black people unnecessarily dying at the hands of the police?
The power of the slogan doesn't mean a lot when the opposition is not operating in good faith. The powerful aren't trying to hear it, killing and terrorizing Black people is by design not by accident. No matter the slogan the attempt to undermine it will occur. Concentrating on the policy changes you want is more productive than playing who has the best marketing slogans.

 

[KillerB88]

It's not divisive enough to be unsympathetic to Black people unnecessarily dying at the hands of the police?
The power of the slogan doesn't mean a lot when the opposition is not operating in good faith. The powerful aren't trying to hear it, killing and terrorizing Black people is by design not by accident. No matter the slogan the attempt to undermine it will occur. Concentrating on the policy changes you want is more productive than playing who has the best marketing slogans.

You’re missing the point. It’s not about creating a fantasy scenario where you have 100% inclusion, it’s about strengthening and widening your base. And the branding is a key part of that. Look at how they flubbed with ‘Defund the Police’. Obviously we don’t want to abolish police, but it’s about removing police involvement from scenarios they’re not best suited to handle such as domestic disputes.

 

[barese]

 

[AnonymityX1000]

You’re missing the point. It’s not about creating a fantasy scenario where you have 100% inclusion, it’s about strengthening and widening your base. And the branding is a key part of that. Look at how they flubbed with ‘Defund the Police’. Obviously we don’t want to abolish police, but it’s about removing police involvement from scenarios they’re not best suited to handle such as domestic disputes.

Strengthening and widening your base isn't done by sloganeering properly. People have to really be understanding and willing to fight to change the underlying policies. It takes a deeper education and morality which is harder work than coming up with the right slogan.

 

[mastermind]

Black people on here attacking Black Lives Matter (the slogan)?

It happened when the movement and slogan first gained steam after Mike Brown’s murder.