Alexandria Ocasio Cortez - "Not All Dems Are The Same"
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People should listen to The Daily NYT podcast today. Has the interview with AOC in call form and also the Connor Lamb rebuttal.
Naturally Connor Lamb comes off as a defeatist moderate who got lucky in 2018. But that's my biased take.
Naturally Connor Lamb comes off as a defeatist moderate who got lucky in 2018. But that's my biased take.
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AnonymityX1000
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Exactly. There is no silver bullet slogan that Republicans aren't going to try to demonize and make undesirable. You are better off sticking to your guns.
BLM was a bad slogan and still is.
we saw in real time on this very forum how "white/all/police lives matter" arose seconds later.
There was but this new crop of activists is more focused on dunking on the opposition instead of winning the issue so they just force the most disjointed version and try to push everyone to accept that framingWas there a similar call for "better phrasing", something like #blacklivesmattertoo?
She's making enemies in NY state 
https://www.radio.com/1010wins/news/ny-democratic-chairman-slams-aoc
radio.com
NY Dem leader says AOC's progressive agenda hurt Dems elsewhere in state
By 1010 WINS Newsroom
4-5 minutes
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Photo credit Scott Heins/Getty Images
November 12, 2020 11/12/2020 10:14 am
NEW YORK (1010 WINS) -- The leader of the Democratic Party in New York state criticized progressive Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez after the party underperformed against the GOP in key swing-district races last week.
Jay Jacobs, chair of the New York State Democratic Committee and the Democratic leader of Nassau County, told the New York Post that “AOC has no standing on how to run a general election in the suburbs and Upstate.”
“AOC is in a district that’s 6-1 Democrat and she couldn’t find a Republican in her district with binoculars,” Jacobs said. “I invite AOC to come to Long Island and stand for election in one of our districts. You’ll see different results.”
Jacobs said Democrats were able to win back the state Senate two years ago because of battleground districts in the suburbs and Upstate. He said left-leaning policies like “defunding” the police don’t go over well with voters in these so-called purple areas.
Democrats lost seats in the U.S. House last week after surprise upsets in key states. In New York, Republicans are ahead of Democrats in congressional races on Long Island and Staten Island, as well as a handful of state Senate races.
Ocasio-Cortez, who easily won re-election in her Bronx-Queens district, told CNN's "State of the Union" last week that Democrats need to unite: "There are, at least in the House caucus, very deep divisions within the party, and I believe that we need to really come together and not allow Republican narratives to tear us apart."
And on Twitter last week, Ocasio-Cortez countered the anti-progressive narrative, writing: “The whole ‘progressivism is bad’ argument just doesn’t have any compelling evidence that I’ve seen.”
“When it comes to ‘Defund’ & ‘Socialism’ attacks, people need to realize these are racial resentment attacks. You’re not gonna make that go away. You can make it less effective,” the congresswoman wrote.
She also criticized Democratic incumbents for their lack of effective online campaigning.
“There are folks running around on TV blaming progressivism for Dem underperformance,” she wrote. “I was curious, so I decided to open the hood on struggling campaigns of candidates who are blaming progressives for their problems. Almost all had awful execution on digital. DURING A PANDEMIC.”
She also said the decision by many Democrats to stop knocking on doors amid the pandemic is “one people need to grapple with and analyze.”
https://www.radio.com/1010wins/news/ny-democratic-chairman-slams-aoc
radio.com
NY Dem leader says AOC's progressive agenda hurt Dems elsewhere in state
By 1010 WINS Newsroom
4-5 minutes
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Photo credit Scott Heins/Getty Images
November 12, 2020 11/12/2020 10:14 am
NEW YORK (1010 WINS) -- The leader of the Democratic Party in New York state criticized progressive Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez after the party underperformed against the GOP in key swing-district races last week.
Jay Jacobs, chair of the New York State Democratic Committee and the Democratic leader of Nassau County, told the New York Post that “AOC has no standing on how to run a general election in the suburbs and Upstate.”
“AOC is in a district that’s 6-1 Democrat and she couldn’t find a Republican in her district with binoculars,” Jacobs said. “I invite AOC to come to Long Island and stand for election in one of our districts. You’ll see different results.”
Jacobs said Democrats were able to win back the state Senate two years ago because of battleground districts in the suburbs and Upstate. He said left-leaning policies like “defunding” the police don’t go over well with voters in these so-called purple areas.
Democrats lost seats in the U.S. House last week after surprise upsets in key states. In New York, Republicans are ahead of Democrats in congressional races on Long Island and Staten Island, as well as a handful of state Senate races.
Ocasio-Cortez, who easily won re-election in her Bronx-Queens district, told CNN's "State of the Union" last week that Democrats need to unite: "There are, at least in the House caucus, very deep divisions within the party, and I believe that we need to really come together and not allow Republican narratives to tear us apart."
And on Twitter last week, Ocasio-Cortez countered the anti-progressive narrative, writing: “The whole ‘progressivism is bad’ argument just doesn’t have any compelling evidence that I’ve seen.”
“When it comes to ‘Defund’ & ‘Socialism’ attacks, people need to realize these are racial resentment attacks. You’re not gonna make that go away. You can make it less effective,” the congresswoman wrote.
She also criticized Democratic incumbents for their lack of effective online campaigning.
“There are folks running around on TV blaming progressivism for Dem underperformance,” she wrote. “I was curious, so I decided to open the hood on struggling campaigns of candidates who are blaming progressives for their problems. Almost all had awful execution on digital. DURING A PANDEMIC.”
She also said the decision by many Democrats to stop knocking on doors amid the pandemic is “one people need to grapple with and analyze.”
King Kreole
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bruh, do you really believe the All Lives Matter backlash was a good-faith rebuttal to the fukking slogan?!?...and that if activists fighting to upend the white supremacist state had simply chosen a "less divisive" slogan (read: more placating to white fragility), then the system and all the whites counter-protesting BLM would gracefully acquiesce??
Why do you all have such a penchant for saying things no one said?
bruh, do you really believe the All Lives Matter backlash was a good-faith rebuttal to the fukking slogan?!?...and that if activists fighting to upend the white supremacist state had simply chosen a "less divisive" slogan (read: more placating to white fragility), then the system and all the whites counter-protesting BLM would gracefully acquiesce??
Of course it was fukkin bad faith. You can find my posts from years ago documenting w___e fu*kery on this in real time.
What i'm saying is that there IS a skill to sloganeering and the left has been losing for the last half-decade
King Kreole
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Either the All Lives Matter counter-protest was "fukking bad faith" or it was a product of bad leftist sloganeering. If it's the former, then no amount of sloganeering could have avoided the backlash, because it was not in earnest.
King Kreole
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And you literally said "BLM was a bad slogan and still is" and then offered up the emergence of "white/all/police lives matter" counter-protesting as evidence. So I don't know how I'm putting words in your mouth.
Either the All Lives Matter counter-protest was "fukking bad faith" or it was a product of bad leftist sloganeering. If it's the former, then no amount of sloganeering could have avoided the backlash, because it was not in earnest.
You can make slogans that make your opposition's job easier to, REGARDLESS of how bad faith their critiques are.
They would always be in opposition to the phrase or the movement, and its OUR RESPONSIBILITY to not make it easier for them.
I'm saying that you can make it harder for the opposition to make counter movements.
i.e. PRO CHOICE vs PRO ABORTION
Its the phrasing that matters.
King Kreole
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I agree that phrasing matters, but efficacy is measured by conversion of the uninitiated, not by the existence of bad-faith retorts like "All/Blue Lives Matter". Which is what you were positing when you pointed to it as evidence of BLM being a bad slogan. I would be interested to hear what slogan you would choose to replace Black Lives Matter with, that would both just as strongly maintain the un-co-optable centrality of blackness while making bad-faith retorts from white bigots impossible, or even less likely.