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There are barely to no hipsters on fukkin' City Island, Country Club, Throgs Neck, etc.! :mjlol: A lot of white people maybe, unless you think guidos are hip. :russ:

I don't think you know what a hipster is
but
you can call them what you want, one thing they aren't are POOR, which is what you tried to allude.
 

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I don't think you know what a hipster is
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you can call them what you want, one thing they aren't are POOR, which is what you tried to allude.
Oh what's a hipster then? The guidos working at Sammy's restaurant on City Island? The mechanics working at garages out in Through Neck and Country Club?
They are in the Bronx right? They definitely ain't rich. They are working class, mid to low income earners.
 

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Oh what's a hipster then? The guidos working at Sammy's restaurant on City Island? The mechanics working at garages out in Through Neck and Country Club?
They are in the Bronx right? They definitely ain't rich. They are working class, mid to low income earners.

a hipster isn't defined about the job they do or their ethnicity it's a way of thinking and life, smh. No one said they were rich, the average income in her areas is 50-60K the average net worth in all her districts is between 400k - 700k. No where near poor or near the poverty line. So wtf are you talking about?

Lonely planet named queens one of the top areas to visit in the US, and I saw several hipster areas, bars, restaurants, and people . I have no idea what or why you're debating this except you got corrected. You corrected me on the Brooklyn thing, I said my bad and moved on. You got corrected on acting like she was representing poor areas, you need to do the same instead of aimlessly fighting.
 

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Her constituents, the Brooklyn high class hipsters, probably give two craps about Ice.

a hipster isn't defined about the job they do or their ethnicity it's a way of thinking and life, smh. No one said they were rich, the average income in her areas is 50-60K the average net worth in all her districts is between 400k - 700k. No where near poor or near the poverty line.

So your beef is that she represents the middle class? :what:

I don't understand why you thought that was significant to your point.

50 - 60k in NYC is not high class. With that pay, they can't afford to be high class.
 

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a hipster isn't defined about the job they do or their ethnicity it's a way of thinking and life, smh. No one said they were rich, the average income in her areas is 50-60K the average net worth in all her districts is between 400k - 700k. No where near poor or near the poverty line. So wtf are you talking about?

Lonely planet named queens one of the top areas to visit in the US, and I saw several hipster areas, bars, restaurants, and people . I have no idea what or why you're debating this except you got corrected. You corrected me on the Brooklyn thing, I said my bad and moved on. You got corrected on acting like she was representing poor areas, you need to do the same instead of aimlessly fighting.
So you think people out in those areas in the Bronx are living the hipster life?! :mjlol: Based on what?!
Where are you getting these net worth stats from? Please link me.
I said Astoria is gentrified, but that's about all you got right. I said the Bronx is one of the poorest places in the state and part of her constituency the end. You then tried to get all specific and tried to call Throgs Neck where no one goes unless you live there a hipster area. lol
 

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So your beef is that she represents the middle class? :what:

I don't understand why you thought that was significant to your point.

50 - 60k in NYC is not high class. With that pay, they can't afford to be high class.

both of you need to stop trying to playing "gotcha" when you dont' even understand the terms being used.

you misinterpreting my usage of class to describe the new york hipsters to income, it's like me saying "snobby hipsters". If I used the term "upper class" you would be correct in believing I'm talking about rich people. And with a median wealth of 400-700k they surely can afford to be high-class hipsters. The average income in crown heights in comparison is 30K

so while you're sitting there not speaking accurately to the relativity of incomes in New York, you should actually do some research about what you're talking about first.

lastly the point of wealth came into play when your buddy tried to portray her district as poor
my point is that they have no care about ICE, it doesn't impact them in their cozy loves. Period. You both are sniffing up the wrong tree because you're fukkin bold faced wrong and lying about shyt now.
 
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So you think people out in those areas in the Bronx are living the hipster life?! :mjlol: Based on what?!
Where are you getting these net worth stats from? Please link me.
I said Astoria is gentrified, but that's about all you got right. I said the Bronx is one of the poorest places in the state and part of her constituency the end. You then tried to get all specific and tried to call Throgs Neck where no one goes unless you live there a hipster area. lol


now you're making up shyt. NEver said any of those things.
never said those areas were gentrified, I said she won't partily due to gentrification and latin influx.

i don't even believe i brought up "Throgs neck" , if I did quote me...

never said every areas is a hipster neighborhood, but there's been in flux of hipsters thanks to gentrification



i'll link you

google.com


again stop playing "gotcha" and actually make a point because you're just flailing away saying stuff I didn't say or totally miscommunicating what I said because you don't know wtf you're talking about
 

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both of you need to stop trying to playing "gotcha" when you dont' even understand the terms being used.

you misinterpreting my usage of class to describe the new york hipsters to income, it's like me saying "snobby hipsters". If I used the term "upper class" you would be correct in believing I'm talking about rich people. And with a median wealth of 400-700k they surely can afford to be high-class hipsters. The average income in crown heights in comparison is 30K

You're misusing terms. High class is not a poor or normal wage thing. Also, median wealth of 400k-700k, means they own a house and maybe a car. 50k-60k in NYC is not enough to be "high-class". They act snobby, fine. Either way, you're making a lot of assumptions about a borough you're not in and a constituency you're not a part of. But whatever. You can have this.
 

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You're misusing terms. High class is not a poor or normal wage thing. Also, median wealth of 400k-700k, means they own a house and maybe a car. 50k-60k in NYC is not enough to be "high-class". They act snobby, fine. Either way, you're making a lot of assumptions about a borough you're not in and a constituency you're not a part of. But whatever. You can have this.


I know i can have it becausae you know you're fukking up, i'll let you get off:hubie: lol@making assumptions. You're confused on "high class". "Low class" doesn't mean just poor so why would you stupidly believe "high class" means rich/upper class.

they own a house and car, but you arguing with someone who just said she was representing one of the poorest areas...complete and utter bullshyt

feel free to use this

New York’s most and least affordable neighborhoods
some of her areas are the richest areas not in Manhatten!!!! all her districts are under 75% income % for median rent. And "Throgs Neck", which I never mentioned, is at 39% which is in the top 15.
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...ing-moneyed-interests/?utm_term=.9a9f06d7b388


The Democratic Party’s loyalty to plutocrats led to political disaster. But many of its leaders won’t change their ways.

It’s not just right-wingers that are driven crazy by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), the firebrand newcomer to national politics: Some of the Democratic lawmaker’s colleagues in her own party view her with suspicion. Their criticisms, however, offer a window into how a failure to take on concentrated power — while pretending to do so — has warped Democratic culture.

Take an article published in Politico this month, which featured a series of on-the-record attacks on AOC, as she has become known. Some lawmakers bristled in particular at her willingness to openly criticize other Democrats. “I’m sure Ms. Cortez means well, but there’s almost an outstanding rule: Don’t attack your own people,” said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II (D-Mo.).

Another subtle put-down — nicely encapsulating what voters hate about Washington — came from Nydia M. Velázquez (D-N.Y.): “Washington is a political animal where a lot of the work that you want to accomplish depends on relationships within the Democratic Caucus.”

Calls for party unity might seem to be oriented around ensuring Democrats can most effectively attack President Trump. The truth is they more often serve to protect powerful financial interests. This becomes obvious when you look into the record of the man whom Ocasio-Cortez defeated in the primary, Joseph Crowley, who portrayed himself as progressive and a good Democrat while taking money from Goldman Sachs, Facebook, Google, BlackRock and a surfeit of other well-heeled interests.

Crowley was such an effective channel for political money that, had he not lost his primary, he was on track to become speaker of the House. What’s more, Democrats like Crowley shape the culture on the Hill by operating as quasi-human resources outfits, offering and vetting staff for new members — staff who likewise bend to moneyed interests. After Crowley lost, he fittingly became one of the biggest prospective hires for lobbying outfits.

For six years, I worked on Capitol Hill as a staffer, and I saw how this deferential culture pushed the party out of touch with ordinary people and paved the way for Trump. I got an early lesson on my first week on the job, in early 2009, when I staffed a member on the Financial Services Committee during fights over the bailouts. A senior committee staffer offered me a guided tour of the committee operations, with a description of what I was supposed to do — and he explained whom the various trade associations represented. “Make sure you get the business card of every lobbyist,” he told me. “So you can give it to your fundraiser.”

He had good reason for saying this. House leaders want to retain the majority, because being in the majority lets you run the place. Protecting your members, especially new ones and ones in seats with a lot of undecided voters, is essential. My boss was a freshman in a such a seat, so leadership wanted to “protect” him for his reelection. But to House leaders at the time, such protection didn’t mean doing a good job for the voters and giving them a reason to vote once again for Democrats. It meant they expected freshmen members to raise money from plutocrats.

This “protection” involved misleading the public to make it look like Democrats, especially vulnerable freshmen, are engaged in populist policymaking when they are not. In one case, in response to the financial giant AIG offering bonuses to its executives after having taken a massive government bailout, leadership had freshmen Democrats sponsor a bill that would have barred unreasonable bonuses by financial institutions that had taken public money. The bill was designed to easily pass the House floor. But the Obama administration wanted to ensure that these banks could pay bonuses, so the bill wasn’t meant to be signed into law. Putting the name of freshmen on it let those freshmen take credit for being tough on bankers, but without actually doing anything to threaten banker interests.

Everyone was proud of their very clever little scheme that they imagined fooled voters. Of course, no actual voter cared about any of it; they were too battered by the financial crisis to notice. And the practice was far from unusual. The Obama administration routinely pledged to help homeowners in foreclosures, but as then-Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) observed, when given the chance, President Barack Obama wouldn’t actually do it. Instead, Timothy Geithner was seeking to, as he put it, “foam the runway” for the banks, meaning space out foreclosures instead of stopping them, so banks wouldn’t have to take hits to their balance sheets. There were similar rancid deals around pharmaceutical pricing and trade deals.

The voters don’t know why the political rhetoric they hear and the policy outcomes they experience don’t match, but they know that something about politics smells.

This isn’t purely a money-in-politics problem. Yes, members need money. I worked for a congressman in 2009 and 2010 who attacked bankers instead of sucking up to them and used that stance to raise large sums in small-dollar increments online. Democrats didn’t have to pick a political posture to pander to the powerful; it was a choice.

Democratic unwillingness to take on concentrated power led to major political failure. A year after I started on the Hill, one leadership staffer told me how well we were doing. I was surprised at the optimism, because constituents kept complaining about their economic situation. “We’ve passed 12 out of 12 bills we put on the floor,” he said proudly. I wanted to ask him when the Democrats changed their slogan from party of the people to party of the teacher’s pet. Then Republican Scott Brown won a Senate seat in Massachusetts, making the point more forcefully. Democrats continued losing throughout the whole Obama era, with more than 1,000 elected officials losing to Republicans during those eight years, until a flawed and unpopular nominee, Hillary Clinton, lost to a slightly less unpopular and much more flawed Donald Trump.

Because of the unwillingness to have open debate, voters couldn’t tell which Democrats were making these dishonorable political and policy choices, and why. They just said, “Throw the bums out.”

Yet as that Politico article, and others, show, the Democratic Party’s culture of deference to the powerful remains deeply embedded.

Ocasio-Cortez certainly has things to learn. And it’s true that she has an intuitive sense of theatricality and social media. But her political success is not, as her critics suggest, a result of her Twitter account. It’s the result of her rejection of the Democratic culture of superficiality and deference to the powerful.

But to understand why Ocasio-Cortez is inspiring attacks from her Democratic peers, it’s important to note that her political ideas are oriented around taking on plutocrats. Her most prominent proposals are raising marginal tax rates to 70 percent, which frightens the super-rich who go to Davos, and the “Green New Deal,” a crash course in carbon-emission reduction. (At the same time, it’s important not to overstate her break from the old model; economist Paul Krugman, no outsider, is talking up her approach to policy.)

Some of her less-noticed policy arguments will cause even more discomfort to the Democratic establishment than what she has proposed so far, reflecting the work of someone who has paid attention to the details of policymaking. Take Puerto Rico. In 2016, Obama urged Congress to pass a bill called PROMESA to address the debt crisis on the island. It handed power over to a financier-dominated control board, whose neglect of infrastructure set the stage for the destruction of the electric grid by Hurricane Maria. While most members of Congress didn’t bother to learn what was in the bill, Ocasio-Cortez attended PROMESA board meetings, called for debt cancellation, criticized the utility’s management, lambasted Crowley for supporting the bill and called for more public investment. She saw that good policy is not just about saying nice things about Puerto Rico while taking in a charity “Hamilton” show on the island, as Democrats did this month; it’s about recognizing that hedge funds are the obstacle to helping people.

Or consider her ideas about making markets fairer. This is not something Ocasio-Cortez has talked about much recently, but during her campaign, she discussed support for small businesses. She has been involved in fights over local real estate zoning choices that protect the big chain stores, and has advocated making sure that marijuana decriminalization doesn’t lead to corporate control over this nascent industry. And last April, when no one was paying attention to her, she was paying attention to Mark Zuckerberg, calling for a U.S. privacy rule based on European standards and for antitrust action against Facebook and Google.

The Democratic Party has become calcified and inward-looking, misleading its supporters so it can sustain the approval of billionaires and bankers. Ocasio-Cortez is grabbing attention because she is young and cool, yes, but also because she is grappling with genuine questions of economic and political power. She has demonstrated that there is a hunger for a more open and populist kind of politics. That’s also why she is uniquely jarring to insiders. She has fused a cogent political and ideological critique with theatricality. It’s important not to make premature conclusions about where this is all leading, but Ocasio-Cortez is channeling public hunger for a genuine restructuring of our society’s power arrangements.

For too long, disagreements in the Democratic Party have been kept behind closed doors, and the result was the protection of powerful financial interests. It is time to start talking about this dynamic, so that voters can make a democratic choice about what kind of politics they actually want to build. That, in the end, is why it’s called the Democratic Party.
Best AOC article on the net
 

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I know i can have it becausae you know you're fukking up

No. It's because you're whining about made up assumptions and terms. None of which has anything to do with her vote. She ran on abolishing ICE. She was voted into office by her constituents. She voted against a bill that funded ICE. All this other nonsense you're talking is just you foaming at the mouth.
 

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No. It's because you're whining about made up assumptions and terms. None of which has anything to do with her vote. She ran on abolishing ICE. She was voted into office by her constituents. She voted against a bill that funded ICE. All this other nonsense you're talking is just you foaming at the mouth.


How is it that you and the other guys are the ones arguing all the other stuff and then you try to flip it as if I'm bringing it up.

I merely said her high class hipsters in her distinct don't care about ICE. No more than ohioans who voted for trump cared about a wall that mexico was going to build. You and others then challenged me in definition of hipster , high class , and even try to lie and say her district was poor

Going by polls , same ones people have used to defend taxes increase for wealthy in this very thread , say that people by a large majority do not want to get rid of ICE.
 

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There was one Bill being voted on, no one would have dinged her for voting yes. She doesn't have the votes to defund ICE. If this vote depended on her she would have voted yes , so that's now a question of her ethics and integrity imo. She voted the way she did to grand stand , period.

That's where we don't agree and won't. To characterize this as grandstanding rather than calling attention to one of the absolute core issues that she ran on is to come into this conversation without knowing her core constituency which was built on ideas that didn't have a voice (abolish ICE is a clear example of this). I hope you have this same energy for Joe Manchin and other Dems who vote against their own party at times when the bill will pass anyway so they know they won't get dinged but also get a chance to do something that their specific constituents will appreciate.
 

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No. It's because you're whining about made up assumptions and terms. None of which has anything to do with her vote. She ran on abolishing ICE. She was voted into office by her constituents. She voted against a bill that funded ICE. All this other nonsense you're talking is just you foaming at the mouth.

It's really this simple.
 
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