"AJ Styles Is Every Bit As Good As Shawn Michaels" - Kurt Angle

[Silkk]

GOATJ Styles

 

[Da King]

Embarrassing to compare the two

Junkie Angle forgets he's on the record saying he had his GOAT match against HBGOAT


AJ is a spot monkey by comparison

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Styles has had an amazing career. I feel like Christopher Daniels and Low Ki are pretty good too and should get same recognition and credit as Styles.

All better than Samoa Joe imo, but he's doing well in The E. So who makes it, and who doesn't I don't get. Who gets praise and who doesn't I also don't get.

Low Ki was the first of that generation to hit his peak, the problem with Low Ki is from about 2004 on his personal shyt has kept him from getting anywhere near consistently displaying that. His career basically amounts to showing up somewhere for a few months, doing some really good stuff, and then disappearing again. The knock against him is while he's had some good matches in the last decade, all of his truly great stuff is from 2002-2005.

And Daniels? Nah. A really good hand, never been out of his depth, but there's a reason why every single one of his best singles matches (dating all the way back to pre-TNA when he had hair) have been with AJ, a good friend of his who always gives 110% to make him look good. Daniels never had it on that next level with someone else. All his best stuff otherwise is as a tag guy.

And to say Joe isn't on that level, yeah I get that since his first hot TNA run fizzled out and he gained a bit more weight he hasn't really delivered like that again, Joe's hype as the best of that bunch was absolutely warranted. The only thing that puts AJ over Joe for me is longevity and consistency. AJ is arguably the best he's ever been right now while it'd be unrealistic to think we'll ever see peak Joe again.

But AJ, Joe, Dbry, Low Ki, and Paul London (Punk's reputation as a great worker came a bit later and his hype was always more character-based even as he got really good at layout) those guys that seemingly came out of nowhere as fully formed great wrestlers in 2002, AJ and (healthy) Dbry are the ones still operating at a next level a decade plus later

 

[Silkk]

Low Ki was the first of that generation to hit his peak, the problem with Low Ki is from about 2004 on his personal shyt has kept him from getting anywhere near consistently displaying that. His career basically amounts to showing up somewhere for a few months, doing some really good stuff, and then disappearing again. The knock against him is while he's had some good matches in the last decade, all of his truly great stuff is from 2002-2005.

And Daniels? Nah. A really good hand, never been out of his depth, but there's a reason why every single one of his best singles matches (dating all the way back to pre-TNA when he had hair) have been with AJ, a good friend of his who always gives 110% to make him look good. Daniels never had it on that next level with someone else. All his best stuff otherwise is as a tag guy.

And to say Joe isn't on that level, yeah I get that since his first hot TNA run fizzled out and he gained a bit more weight he hasn't really delivered like that again, Joe's hype as the best of that bunch was absolutely warranted. The only thing that puts AJ over Joe for me is longevity and consistency. AJ is arguably the best he's ever been right now while it'd be unrealistic to think we'll ever see peak Joe again.

Agree with everything but this, Daniels as X Division champ was putting on good matches with everyone

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Agree with everything but this, Daniels as X Division champ was putting on good matches with everyone

Good, yeah, I'll never say Daniels isn't good. No one can. But that's what I'm saying. Daniels is the definition of good, or "really good". But great on his own standing? No way. All of his best stuff has AJ attached to it as either an opponent or partner. And the stuff below that has Low Ki or Joe.

 

[Silkk]

Good, yeah, I'll never say Daniels isn't good. No one can. But that's what I'm saying. Daniels is the definition of good, or "really good". But great on his own standing? No way. All of his best stuff has AJ attached to it as either an opponent or partner. And the stuff below that has Low Ki or Joe.

Not to make excuses for him, but he never got the breaks that AJ did in TNA when it came to working with the top stars. The one time he finally got a shot(vs Sting), he had the rug pulled out from under him before it could get started.

AJ got to work with Angle, Sting, Jarrett, Christian, Hardy, etc on multiple occasions

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Embarrassing to compare the two

Junkie Angle forgets he's on the record saying he had his GOAT match against HBGOAT


AJ is a spot monkey by comparison

Interesting. AJ goes to the top rope now as often as Shawn did.

Not to make excuses for him, but he never got the breaks that AJ did in TNA when it came to working with the top stars. The one time he finally got a shot(vs Sting), he had the rug pulled out from under him before it could get started.

AJ got to work with Angle, Sting, Jarrett, Christian, Hardy, etc on multiple occasions

But I'm not even judging him off of that, especially as by comparison, Daniels got to work prime Joe, Punk, Prime Low Ki, Danielson, Prime London which I'd consider a MUCH better barometer of talent and ability than those guys you named on the downslope of their careers, a lot of them often in Don't Give A fukk mode in TNA.

He had good matches with all of them, but the ROH Round Robin Challenge basically encapsulates my point. Ki, Danielson, and Daniels each have matches with each other on the same night and while Ki/Daniels and Danielson/Daniels are good, Ki/Danielson is the best match of the night.

 

[R=G]

AJ Styles is more impressive in the ring than everyone you just mentioned.

Nowhere near...Mysterio was having revolutionary matches before AJ was even getting trained.

 

[Silkk]

Nowhere near...Mysterio was having revolutionary matches before AJ was even getting trained.

I could say the same thing about Shawn Michaels and The Rock

 

[Mr. Manhattan]

AJ can make anyone look good against him like Shawn Michaels could

He can work technical and high flying luchador styles () as well

So u can't argue there

 

[Da King]

Interesting. AJ goes to the top rope now as often as Shawn did.

Not about how many times you use the top rope, but telling a story

 

[Silkk]

Not about how many times you use the top rope, but telling a story

Then you're clearly not familiar with AJ Styles

 

[mrken12]

@Da King

No one cares what he has to say.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Great Mutant

Lol r=g sneaking in Magneto references on accident now

 

[mrken12]

AJ isn't more impressive than prime Rey...Shelton in his prime could basically do anything he wanted...Eddie was better than almost anyone who ever performed in the ring by 97..Macho Man was the definition of a great ring psychologist and his selling was masterful....Great Muta was a insane thing to watch in the early 90s....the Jumping Bomb Angels make the best male wrestlers of today look like novices.

That reference though.