Agree Or Disagree: Ghostface Killah Is Top Ten Of All Time?
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TheDarceKnight
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I don't know, but I think you can make a strong argument that he is. Certainly top 20.
- He's a top 3 artists in a top 3 group of all time (and that group had 9-10 members).
- Probably the most relevant Wu member over the longest period of time. he helped the Wu brand when it was struggling with relevancy. shyt, for a long time he was the only Wu member making decent music at all. You could go further and say he was the only one even making music at all for a stretch.
- He was probably the best part of the best Wu release, that's considered by many to be the best hip-hop album of all time, and definitely top 5.
- Ironman is the most underrated of the first Wu solos
- Supreme Clientele is so good that it has a strong case for being the best album of the 2000's, and definitely the early 2000's, and people debate whether it's better than Ironman all the time. Production-wise it was also the blueprint for the Blueprint, and even Just Blaze made wanted beats like Girls Girls Girls to go to Ghostface. - He can rap about nothing with such confidence that it doesn't even matter if you know what he's talking about.
- Has a very bitten style, and he's been able to change his style over the years. Not only that, but he's a legit character and personality and always has been, especially when people were generic and following trends. - His storytelling is top notch, concept songs, and he was one of the first rappers ever to really get emotional and put their feelings out there (All That I Got Is You).
- Bulletproof Wallets, Pretty Toney, Fishcale, More Fish, and Big Doe Rehab are all great albums, and even though not classic, none of them are wack or even average. Even though the bootleg/Napster version fo Bulletproof Wallets was better, the retail was still dope.
- One of the best beat pickers in the game. How many people use RZA, Just Blaze, Cool & Dre, Alchemist, Pete Rock, J Dilla, Madlib, MF DOOM, Hi-Tek, Nottz, No ID, Juju, Mathematics, and True Master between 1-2 projects? - He's respected by everyone and can collab with everyone. Wu, Mobb Deep, LOX, Beanie Sigel, Kanye, Ne-Yo, Mary J, Redman, Fabolous, Lloyd Banks, Rick Ross, Nas, Busta, Jim Jones, Black Thought, Game...
- He pulled off an R&B album and it wasn't bad at all.
- He's a top 3 artists in a top 3 group of all time (and that group had 9-10 members).
- Probably the most relevant Wu member over the longest period of time. he helped the Wu brand when it was struggling with relevancy. shyt, for a long time he was the only Wu member making decent music at all. You could go further and say he was the only one even making music at all for a stretch.
- He was probably the best part of the best Wu release, that's considered by many to be the best hip-hop album of all time, and definitely top 5.
- Ironman is the most underrated of the first Wu solos
- Supreme Clientele is so good that it has a strong case for being the best album of the 2000's, and definitely the early 2000's, and people debate whether it's better than Ironman all the time. Production-wise it was also the blueprint for the Blueprint, and even Just Blaze made wanted beats like Girls Girls Girls to go to Ghostface. - He can rap about nothing with such confidence that it doesn't even matter if you know what he's talking about.
- Has a very bitten style, and he's been able to change his style over the years. Not only that, but he's a legit character and personality and always has been, especially when people were generic and following trends. - His storytelling is top notch, concept songs, and he was one of the first rappers ever to really get emotional and put their feelings out there (All That I Got Is You).
- Bulletproof Wallets, Pretty Toney, Fishcale, More Fish, and Big Doe Rehab are all great albums, and even though not classic, none of them are wack or even average. Even though the bootleg/Napster version fo Bulletproof Wallets was better, the retail was still dope.
- One of the best beat pickers in the game. How many people use RZA, Just Blaze, Cool & Dre, Alchemist, Pete Rock, J Dilla, Madlib, MF DOOM, Hi-Tek, Nottz, No ID, Juju, Mathematics, and True Master between 1-2 projects? - He's respected by everyone and can collab with everyone. Wu, Mobb Deep, LOX, Beanie Sigel, Kanye, Ne-Yo, Mary J, Redman, Fabolous, Lloyd Banks, Rick Ross, Nas, Busta, Jim Jones, Black Thought, Game...
- He pulled off an R&B album and it wasn't bad at all.
Oh I put Face twice? Lol. My bad lol.
In regards to Raekwon and Ghost who's people preference? Ghost?
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Fukk your corny debates
1. Your argument is not based on objectivity. You are making a subjective, personal assessment. You don't seem to understand what objectivity is. Eminem sold X amount of albums is an objective fact. "Eminem is top ____ all time because he sold X amount of records, so-and-so rapper says he's good, blah, blah, blah is a subjective statement based upon criteria selected by the person making the evaluation.(1) Album sales is NOT an opinion though...It is a number that can be QUANTIFIED...It is NOT my opinion that Eminem, Jay Z and 2Pac have sold 30+Millions of albums...It is a FACT more than that it is the TRUTH...Regardless of my personal feelings and emotions...
(2) Since album sales is an OBJECTIVE criterion, give me a LOGICAL rationale to why it should be ignored when deciding GOAT status...?
(3) At least, my opinion is based on an OBJECTIVE criterion, and that's why it is better than most...
(4) Nelly and MC Hammer have a better shot at Top 10 than GFK...MC Hammer had cartoons, action figures and had reach ACROSS THE GLOBE...His legacy CANNOT be denied...
MC Hammer did MORE for hip hop than Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Slick Rick and other 80's rappers...I was a kid in South Africa and I knew about Mc Hammer and no damn Rakim...Rakim was local compared to Mc Hammer...
Name Rakim songs bigger than "Can't Touch This" "Too Legit To Quit" and "You Gotta Pray"...You CANNOT...
2. There is no objectivity when attempting to value and quantify art. The very act of listening to music is a subjective, aesthetic experience between the artist and the listener.
3. I can't take anyone who says Hammer and Nelly > Ghost seriously in a hip-hop conversation, so there's really nothing left to say.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
I got Nas, Ghost, and Black Thought in my top 5 as well. Andre 3000 and Murs round it out. Common and Jay are in my top 10 though.Agree all day
Nas
Jay-Z
Common
Ghostface
Black Thought
my top 5
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Repped.
The Wallabee Champ is my no.3 GOAT
His discography speaks for itself
That album run from Ironman - Fishcale is untouchable
And, that's not discrediting More Fish - Twelve Reason To Die
But, there's was a slight drop-off in his zany flamboyant lyrics
Ghost set his own bar so high
, that even his straight sensical rhyme form
, still throws all these Dr.Seus simple-minded rappers in the bushes
His discography speaks for itself That album run from Ironman - Fishcale is untouchable And, that's not discrediting More Fish - Twelve Reason To Die But, there's was a slight drop-off in his zany flamboyant lyrics Ghost set his own bar so high, that even his straight sensical rhyme form, still throws all these Dr.Seus simple-minded rappers in the bushes
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This is a tremendous and thoughtful post, and exactly the kind of thing I wish I saw more of on the Coli. The fact that I agree strongly with it is just icing.
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Did I just read a nikka say that Hammer is better than Ghost?? 
criminology
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Most people have shyt taste in music and like what they're told to like. That's why sales is always a suspect criteria.
Ghost made an album with Rae that was so coded it took me years to figure out what some of it was about. Straight art as music, fukk if others were getting it. It was hip hop for hip hop heads. That's a straight objective criteria too. Nelly and some it's getting hot in herre is some Celine Dion simple rap shyt.
Ghost made an album with Rae that was so coded it took me years to figure out what some of it was about. Straight art as music, fukk if others were getting it. It was hip hop for hip hop heads. That's a straight objective criteria too. Nelly and some it's getting hot in herre is some Celine Dion simple rap shyt.
JuvenileHell
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Ghost id definitely one of the most entertaining MC's to ever do it. To behonest I enjoyed his verses more than Raes on OBC4L (not taking anything from Rae at all) Dennis Coles on dust >>>>