After seeing this, I don't see how black players choose to go to schools like Alabama

[Marvel]

If anything we need more minorities in these historically racist institutions.

I am not knocking him and his achievement but how does Gene Smith, the athletic director at Ohio State help HBCUs?

You see we have been conditioned to prefer the addition of blacks like Gene Smith to PWIs rather than saying we need to get on the same footing from a competitive standpoint with PWI at our HBCUs. Whites have us figured out. They know we are willing to commit economic suicide just so we can be accepted by them.

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

It doesn't matter the conference, just move up and keep striving to move up more. Baylor was a bottom feeder for two decades in the Big XII. Don't think for one minute that they ever thought about stepping down to the Sunbelt or C-USA. At the bottom they were being fed millions of dollars of the Big XII television deals. At the top, Grambling was being fed crumbs. I don't know why black people only want overnight success. A lot things you want in life are going to take time to build and its all worth it in the end. Today, Baylor is the best athletic program in the Big XII. They are best in women's bball. They are currently the best in football in the conference. Their men's bball program is among the top 10-15 every year. There track team is also among the best in the country and has produced the likes of Michael Johnson. They had a plan and they stuck to it. We need to stop having self defeating attitudes. Sometimes we are own biggest hurdles.

These guys think history is stagnant. Try telling these guys Western Africa was once the hotbed of civilization with vital trading grounds and they'd call you a liar ..You remember that scene in The Patriot with Mel Gibson when the black slave was reading if he fought for the Union Army he'd be free and the white guy comes up to him and asks "what you going to do with freedom" Kind of the same mindset here today, right on this board. Think about this. JJ Reddikk didn't think he would be drafted and have a home in the NBA so he had a backup plan and I forgot what it was, but there were high school players coming out and speaking on it now that they are washed up and and look rather raggedy. Of course they were black. But it goes to show the conditioning. Here you have a 4 year starter at Duke, great career with a backup plan for success, yet you have high school players jumping to the NBA without a plan and of course it flamed it out. These dudes are stuck in the now and I understand because poverty and despair will do that, but geez there's levels to this shyt and we don't see it.

 

[Marvel]

Baylors Endowment - http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/2217531.html (2006) 750 Million Dollars
Grambling State Endowment http://www.unigo.com/grambling_state_university/ 4.5 Million Dollars

Again, you are still not getting the point. Money from TV contracts can sustain a football program. That is how you finance the program.

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

Again, you are still not getting the point.

Oh I get it, but I'm logical and a realist.

But refresh my memory, what incentive does a highly touted recruit have to go to an HBCU?

And how does it benefit a major conference to add Grambling St. or Arkansas Pine Bluff. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[mozichrome]

It doesn't matter the conference, just move up and keep striving to move up more. Baylor was a bottom feeder for two decades in the Big XII. Don't think for one minute that they ever thought about stepping down to the Sunbelt or C-USA or any other lower tier conference. At the bottom they were being fed millions of dollars of the Big XII television deals. At the top, Grambling was being fed crumbs. So who is the loser here? I don't know why black people only want overnight success. A lot things you want in life are going to take time to build and its all worth it in the end. Today, Baylor has the best athletic program in the Big XII. They are best in women's bball. They are currently the best in football in the conference. Their men's bball program is among the top 10-15 every year. There track team is also among the best in the country and has produced the likes of Michael Johnson. They had a plan and they stuck to it. We need to stop having self defeating attitudes. Sometimes we are own biggest hurdles.

self defeating, or realistic

why are we trying to start in these power conferences when you can take gradual steps building your program up
in the smaller conference

because with the way conference alignment going right, its much different in joining these majors.
and i love how yall just love to believe these programs gonna build themselves up

what about Iowa State, they stuck at the bottom. hell nobody cares about Kansas football. im sure they got that Big 12 money, why they not up right now. Kansas was in a BCS bowl game. where the success come from after?

 

[Marvel]

Oh I get it, but I'm logical and a realist.

But refresh my memory, what incentive does a highly touted recruit have to go to an HBCU?

And how does it benefit a major conference to add Grambling St. or Arkansas Pine Bluff. Maybe I'm missing something.

It does not benefit a highly touted recruit to go to an HBCU NOW because he is not going to be on TV. That is reason why you need to move up conferences to get more EXPOSURE for your school, football program and players.

An HBCU at a bigger conference would put more add more eyes on the TV for these conference. After all, Boise State was not recognized nationally until a decade ago. Grambling at one point was more well known than Boise St when it came to college football during the Eddie Robinson era. You build national recognition by building your brand on the television landscape. Don't think that the way things are today are how they will be tomorrow if given an opportunity. They used to say how will the black man getting into the NBA or NFL help. Cacs had no idea that the best basketball player in the world would be black when they started the NBA. They didn't in their wildest dream believe that a black man would surpass Babe Ruth's homerun record and two of them did it. You have to start believing that you can create an alternative reality if you ever want shyt to change. As a men says he is, so he is. If you say you can't do something, you won't and never will.

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

It does not benefit a highly touted recruit to go to an HBCU NOW because he is not going to be on TV. That is reason why you need to move up conferences to get more EXPOSURE for your school, football program and players.

An HBCU at a bigger conference would put more add more eyes on the TV for these conference. After all, Boise State was not recognized nationally until a decade ago. Grambling at one point was more well known than Boise St when it came to college football during the Eddie Robinson era. You build national recognition by building your brand on the television landscape. Don't think that the way things are today are how they will be tomorrow if given an opportunity. They used to say how will the black man getting into the NBA or NFL help. Cacs had no idea that the best basketball player in the world would be black when they started the NBA. They didn't in their wildest dream believe that a black man would surpass Babe Ruth's homerun record and two of them did it. You have to start believing that you can create an alternative reality if you ever want shyt to change. As a men says he is, so he is. If you say you can't do something, you won't and never will.

Question.

WHY would a bigger conference want Grambling St. or any HBCU for that matter?

You said Boise St. In 1995 Boise St. Had an Endowment of 31 million dollars and 14,000 Students. Which basically makes it The Cincinnati Bengals compared to Grambling St. even NOW.

Grambling 4.5 million Endowment and 5,100 students(2011)

Why is it so hard for you all to understand Grambling St is a little school, its not going to ever compete with a Colorado, Utah, or a Tulane for that matter. No matter how u slice it.

 

[irishfury]

Racism exist everywhere. Story time.

Growing up I was raised by my grandmother who was a school teacher. In the forest park area in Cincinnati. Growing up 80% of my friends where african american. I was 7 at the time. Racism was something I had never dealt with before and didn't understand because the environment and how my grandmother raised me.

So I don't remember what it was but my best friend who was african american and I bought a toy from Toy's R Us. The same toy that turned out be defective somehow. So we went to return the defective toy. Toy's R Us took back my toy and gave a refund and didn't my friend. Now at the time I didn't understand. My grandmother was so livid and raised a huge huge scene and made them give me back my defective toy. The police ended up coming etc.

Now at the time I didn't understand at the time. It took reflecting upon it when I was older and realize it was the first time I saw racism and now see it exist everywhere. I have lived all over the United States and have seen it everywhere. Everywhere I have lived I have dealt with bigot white people who wouldn't have the balls to say shyt in front a black person behind close doors. Depending on the situations I have handled it myself.

The least unracist place I have ever lived is in the Michigan area and even there was bigoted idiots. The one thing I have learned is that bigots hate to see people succeed. The best way to battle bigots is put yourself in the best position for success and make'm mad.

 

[Ain't That Something]

Why do nikkas always ask other nikkas to make the sacrifice for a cause they wanna push. What are you doing for that cause besides posting on the coli

 

[tremonthustler1]

Level of comp is cool but it doesn't dictate how good they're gonna be as a pro. That's on the player. Steph Curry or Lilliard aren't having any trouble in the league. And if they actually did go to an HBCU and did well it'd lead to other kids doing it. Recruits follow in other top recruits footsteps. Just look at what John Wall did for UK.

What has that done for Davidson or Weber State? Matter of fact, where were these HBCU's when Curry and Lillard could only go to these schools since they were the only ones offering scholarships? There are schools that pick up kids that slip through the cracks of bigger schools and they turn out fine. Why haven't these HBCU's been able to find them and develop them?

and what did John Wall do for UK? John Wall went to UK because John Calipari recruited him. It's the same reason why Derrick Rose, the top PG in his class, decided to go to Memphis in Conference USA. It starts with recruiting and coaching, and these HBCU's don't recruit well enough. As the saying goes, the fish rots from the head. We're seeing a school like Grambling in football fall apart because of the heads at that school. Yet, we should expect everything to change by giving those heads a bigger conference and more money? That's like giving a crappy GM more cap space.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Why do nikkas always ask other nikkas to make the sacrifice for a cause they wanna push. What are you doing for that cause besides posting on the coli

You can count the amount of people that went to an HBCU that are in this thread on one hand.

If Wiggins from Canada decided to go to Howard, you don't think that would be the biggest story heading into college basketball?

You don't think Parker going to Morehouse wouldn't be a huge story? Black kid leads black school with black coach on historic tourney run in 2013? You really disrespect the power of imagery and its effect on people.

ETA: the mismanagement of money is due to the lack there of. You increase the pool so everyone can eat and those who continue get gone

If Wiggins went to Howard, first of all, nobody would take what he'd do in that first year seriously because everyone would feel he was ducking the competition or trying to take it easy before he got drafted.

Second of all, Wiggins and Parker doing some shyt like that wouldn't work in 1 year. The team around them wouldn't be good enough for them to make the impact you think they would, not after they leave. They'd get their doors blown off when they'd see a big time conference team. It would take YEARS for that to grow. Gonzaga didn't become a big time school overnight. It took a really good coach, players that stuck around which led to other players sticking around and constantly making the tourney (loyalty too. Mark Few coulda had any job he wanted. He stayed). VCU moved up in conference because they worked their way up. Shaka Smart stayed. Butler went from Horizon League to Big East in 3 years because it was built over a long period of time. You have to work your way up.

It's gonna have to be built on the strength of a bright young coach and players that simply slipped through everyone else's cracks.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Wiggins or Parker can win a game or two by themselves if they got on a run. And it would be historic for a HBCU. I think a kid who would more then likely be treated as some sort of racial hero at an HBCU might be more willing to stay another year or so.

this is some Disney shyt and you know it

and on top of that you want them to stay too

 

[mozichrome]

It does not benefit a highly touted recruit to go to an HBCU NOW because he is not going to be on TV. That is reason why you need to move up conferences to get more EXPOSURE for your school, football program and players.

An HBCU at a bigger conference would put more add more eyes on the TV for these conference. After all, Boise State was not recognized nationally until a decade ago. Grambling at one point was more well known than Boise St when it came to college football during the Eddie Robinson era. You build national recognition by building your brand on the television landscape. Don't think that the way things are today are how they will be tomorrow if given an opportunity. They used to say how will the black man getting into the NBA or NFL help. Cacs had no idea that the best basketball player in the world would be black when they started the NBA. They didn't in their wildest dream believe that a black man would surpass Babe Ruth's homerun record and two of them did it. You have to start believing that you can create an alternative reality if you ever want shyt to change. As a men says he is, so he is. If you say you can't do something, you won't and never will.

you're rambling on and on breh. let it go

Grambling gets to a power conference they would be bottom feeders. you talk about Baylor was a bottom feeder that built themselves up, so is Kansas a bottom feeder. Kansas got that Big 12 money too, why they not up right now. Kansas was in a BCS bowl game. where the success come from after that BCS game?


its like yall cant accept it, yes they can move up if they want to, sure let them. but lets see them perform at the smaller conference 1st before they want a seat at big boy table

 

[NelsonSwagdela]

Wow this is what everyone takes away from this thread. Obviously no one is really expecting these young athletes to be the ones to stop going to these schools who have the most to offer. But no one watched that video and thinks we should do something about the institutional racism in big southern schools? Should kids commit to HBCU's just because?No, but something should definitely be done about sending our most promising athletes to these schools that would never accept them in their schools and lives if they were not talented athletes.

 

[mozichrome]

Wow this is what everyone takes away from this thread. Obviously no one is really expecting these young athletes to be the ones to stop going to these schools who have the most to offer. But no one watched that video and thinks we should do something about the institutional racism in big southern schools? Should kids commit to HBCU's just because?No, but something should definitely be done about sending our most promising athletes to these schools that would never accept them in their schools and lives if they were not talented athletes.

why are we suppose to act like we give a shiit about these kids best interest

i see them as just another player in the long line of players thats gonna play at the school.