African Involvement in the slave trade

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You didn't burst my bubble tho.

The theory is pseudoscience.

But that does not mean the existence of a Hamitic people is false.

There are Hamitic Africans and Negro Africans.

"Negroes" were primarily in West and West-Central Africa...they were the ones who came into contact with Spanish and Portuguese (the first Europeans to explore the coastal of that region of Africa)..thus being called "Negro" a Spanish/Portuguese/Iberian word for "Black". It was people from this region that made up the bulk majority of slaves in the new world. Hamitic Africans were not taken into slavery in the Americas because they were considered "Caucasian" and more "advanced".

BTW, I don't agree Hamitic peoples are Caucasian but many of them do have Caucasian traits (Limb proportions, phenotype, hair texture, etc.). If you look at an Ethiopian or Somali they look different then a Nigerian or a Ghanaian..let's keep it funky and stop with all the games.





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Breh, there is a difference between the Hamitic Hypothesis and the term Hamitic. My issue is with the former.

And you're preaching to the choir right now.

http://www.thecoli.com/posts/9216960/

^Since I mentioned where the term Negro came from and what it means in that post

But you seem to be missing where West African ancestry originates from, which is from the East/North-East. Or are you forgetting that Kenyans and Sudanese look VERY much like West Africans?

But let's not forget there was also an Arab Slave trade, where many of those "superior" North African Hamites were taken captive.

Furthermore, let's examine who Herodotus thought the Colchians (who lived in what is today the country of Georgia) came from and how he described them.

Herodotus -The Histories, Book 2, Chapter 104

For it is plain to see that the Colchians are Egyptians; and what I say, I myself noted before I heard it from others. When it occurred to me, I inquired of both peoples; and the Colchians remembered the Egyptians better than the Egyptians remembered the Colchians; [2] the Egyptians said that they considered the Colchians part of Sesostris' army. I myself guessed it, partly because they are black-skinned and have woolly hair, which certainly amounts to but little, since several other nations are so too."

Again, the only reason @Marvel makes appeals to the Hamitic Hypothesis is due to the ignorant pseudo-belief system he's bought into, which also makes appeals to it.

But I wouldn't expect anything less from dude, since he can't even get basic Roman and Western Asian history right. :mjlol:

Never in history have white people ever said they were from Ham, they used pseudoscience to try and make links with Ethiopians so they can claim some glory of Ancient Hamitic empires through them

You just might be one of the most ignorant and lamest dudes on the coli.

You've been caught quoting Zondervan's bible dictionary in an attempt to discredit Africans, being African yourself. Not realizing that Zondervan is promoting a pseudo-theory which does just that. Claim white people came from Ham.

Zondervan's NIV Study Bible, notes on Genesis 9:25

Noah’s curse cannot be used to justify the enslavement of blacks, since most of Ham’s descendants are known to be Caucasian, as the Canaanites certainly were.

Yet now that your ignorance has been exposed you wanna back track. Nah breh, it's time for you to own those L's.
 
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Hey Hamite, your people can't even compete in hand to hand combat or real sports with people on the other side of Africa for a reason. You have no problem admitting that the Chinese, Malaysians, and Japanese are different. You are upset that we are not claiming to be down with you. A Kenyan competing against a so-called Igbo or a so-called Ghanaian in anything is joke. :pachaha:



You are weak Hamites, just stick to long distance running because you will need it when you are being chased down by the real Israelites on day of judgement.

Be a Hamite pretending to be an Israelite while talking down on other Hamites brehs. :mjlol:


Exactly, don't mind them. They would rather listen to white boys about what happened in Africa.

The irony. cause that's exactly what YOU were caught doing @Marvel.:mjlol:
 

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Breh, there is a difference between the Hamitic Hypothesis and the term Hamitic. My issue is with the former.

And you're preaching to the choir right now.

http://www.thecoli.com/posts/9216960/

^Since I mentioned where the term Negro came from and what it means in that post

But you seem to be missing where West African ancestry originates from, which is from the East/North-East. Or are you forgetting that Kenyans and Sudanese look VERY much like West Africans?

But let's not forget there was also an Arab Slave trade, where many of those "superior" North African Hamites were taken captive.
In your post to Marvel, it seemed as tho you were implying that since the Hamitic Hypothesis is pseudo-science that you don't believe that Hamitic people exist.

Quick question, does Serge Ibaka and Luol Deng look alike in your opinion?

The Arab Slave Trade, mainly sent Bantus into slavery not Hamitic peoples.
 

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In your post to Marvel, it seemed as tho you were implying that since the Hamitic Hypothesis is pseudo-science that you don't believe that Hamitic people exist.

Breh, my post was very clear. The Hamitic Hypothesis is pseudo-science. I.e the idea that Hamites are supposedly dark-skinned white people or "Caucasians" and "superior" to Sub-Saharan Africans.


Quick question, does Serge Ibaka and Luol Deng look alike in your opinion?

No. Now I have one for you. Does Luol Deng look similar to Usain Bolt?

The Arab Slave Trade, mainly sent Bantus into slavery not Hamitic peoples.

Indeed. Although Bantu encompasses 600 different groups. Stretching east to west. And while Bantus were the main people enslaved, they weren't the ONLY group.

Anyways, I won't turn this into a multi-page back and forth with you, cause you've always been cool in my book. So we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
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Hey Hamite, your people can't even compete in hand to hand combat or real sports with people on the other side of Africa for a reason. You have no problem admitting that the Chinese, Malaysians, and Japanese are different. You are upset that we are not claiming to be down with you. A Kenyan competing against a so-called Igbo or a so-called Ghanaian in anything is joke. :pachaha:



You are weak Hamites, just stick to long distance running because you will need it when you are being chased down by the real Israelites on day of judgement.

:mjlol: It's like watching an even more bizarre Nigerian version of Clayton Bigsby.
 

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So what does this mean? Blacks are supposed to blame Africans for Trans-Atlantic chattel slavery? We supposed to hate Africans now?

And we do know that "slavery" in Africa was NOWHERE NEAR the type of chattel slavery, correct? I hope dudes are not trying to insinuate cacs were copying off Africans in that regard.

Peace
 

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Im not a cac. Black African kingdoms sold other blacks who were their prisoners, off to the white man. Theses cacs didnt suprman their way in an took them nikkas. If it wasn't for that then the slave trade wouldn't have been so sucessful. Truth hurts doesn't it?

And what we supposed to do with this "truth"? Are we supposed to place the blame squarely on Africans now? Cacs were simply copying what they saw?

Peace
 

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And what we supposed to do with this "truth"? Are we supposed to place the blame squarely on Africans now? Cacs were simply copying what they saw?

Peace
We should hold our ancestors accountable for what they did. That's all im saying.
 

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You didn't burst my bubble tho.

The theory is pseudoscience.

But that does not mean the existence of a Hamitic people is false.

There are Hamitic Africans and Negro Africans.

"Negroes" were primarily in West and West-Central Africa...they were the ones who came into contact with Spanish and Portuguese (the first Europeans to explore the coastal of that region of Africa)..thus being called "Negro" a Spanish/Portuguese/Iberian word for "Black". It was people from this region that made up the bulk majority of slaves in the new world. Hamitic Africans were not taken into slavery in the Americas because they were considered "Caucasian" and more "advanced".

BTW, I don't agree Hamitic peoples are Caucasian but many of them do have Caucasian traits (Limb proportions, phenotype, hair texture, etc.). If you look at an Ethiopian or Somali they look different then a Nigerian or a Ghanaian..let's keep it funky and stop with all the games.





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Wrong.

"Negro" is only the spanish word for black. There is no separate "race" in Africa called "Hamitic Africans." Please stop with the nonsense.

Fulanis were considered "Hamitic".
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They have what you call "Hamitic" features. Yet they are not only from West African and speak a Niger Congo language, but the Nigerian Fulanis males I posted carry West African E1b1a around 100% in frequencies. Fulanis, Ethiopians and Somalis "Caucasoid" features has nothing to do with them being a separate group of Africans but them evolving them due to their environment/climate/diet. One most also remember that West Africans aren't even one homogeneous group to begin with. So you have to elaborate on with "negros" in West Africa; because there some West Africans like the Fulani(in the Sahel) who have those same "traits" horners have.

The Atlantic Slave trade had nothing to do with what specific African was inferior or superior. The Europeans before hand regarded the Benin civilization as magnificent for their benin art(which they said rivaled Ancient Greece) yet they were still taken as slaves.
 

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This is always brought up by people who say that what the west didn't wasn't wrong. They argue that Africans enslaved each other all the time..
Well than African countries, and the west owe African Americans reparations...quite simply
 
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