Afram history that's hardly ever talked about: Black Loyalist->Nova Scotion->Sierre Leone Creole

[IllmaticDelta]

Most Maps I've seen show Slaves from the Senegambia and Windward Cost primarily being the ones send to America in particular the Carolinas, with the bulk of Central Africans going to the Caribbean/South America.

Granted Senegambia/Windward Coast produced the LEAST amount of Slaves compared to the "Slave Coast" and Central Africa, like I said the slaves that did come from there majority went to the USA.

Most of this stuff is estimates though so I'm not going to lean on anything as fact, I'm just coming to my on conclusions based on what I have been presented.

usa

 

[Apollo Creed]

usa

Using your 2nd chart combine Senegambia, Sierra Leone, and the Windward Coast and it tells the real story. All of these places were inhabited by Mande people thus the culture was the same. Like I said the lines Europeans used to divide the areas are misleading.

 

[Poitier]

My argument to this is the people in the Windward Coast and Senegambia are all Mande lol, even portions of the Gold Coast to a degree.

A Mandingo from the Senegambia and a Vai person from the Windward Coast are both Mande and share the same culture albeit they speak different but similar/related languages.

Ok, this makes more sense.
I thought you were saying a majority of the enslaved Africans in the "mid atlantic" area were Mande.
Thats probably the most interesting region due to the African diversity that was present there like nowhere else in the USA.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I saw an interesting theory that Mande people were sent to the Carolinas because Rice harvesting was a big skill of ours and part of our culture compared to Slaves in the Slave Coast and Central Africans who more so lean on Yams more so than rice in their culture.

yeah, it's true

 

[Apollo Creed]

Also with the Mande connection I believe this is why people from the outside use Mande and Mandingo interchangeable (incorrectly), being that we all inhabited Mali. I also believe it ties in to how Mandingo became synonymous with "Big Brute Black Men" as it was a descriptor to describe characteristics of Mande Slaves (due to us all have a common ancestor/ancestors).

For example Mande people are often times tall (I'm 6'3 my grandfather was 6'6) while the people who inhabited Liberia where my parents are from before our Tribe got there are historically short people.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Ok, this makes more sense.
I thought you were saying a majority of the enslaved Africans in the "mid atlantic" area were Mande.
Thats probably the most interesting region due to the African diversity that was present there like nowhere else in the USA.

The Mande ethic group is diverse as hell simply because they inhabited areas of mass commerce. Pair that in with them getting to America and mixing with other groups makes AAs that much more diverse. Mande peoples are typically the ones who people will say "dont look African" being that they usually already have some type of admixture of numerous other tribes verse there being generations and generations of people only mating with 1-2 other tribes.

Usually you don't know someone is Mande until they tell you their name, while with many Nigerian ethnic groups for example they have very distinctive features.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

My argument to this is the people in the Windward Coast and Senegambia are all Mande lol, even portions of the Gold Coast to a degree.

yeah, there are mande groups in all those regions

Benin

• Boko people

Burkina Faso

• Bobo people
• Kpee people
• Samo people
• Seenku people

Ivory Coast

• Beng people
• Gban people
• Gio people
• Goo people
• Guro people
• Jeri people
• Mwan people
• Tura people
• Wan people
• Yaure people

Ghana

• Bissa people
• Dyula people
• Ligbi people
• Wangara people

Guinea

• Jakhanke people
• Kakabe people
• Lele people
• Loma people
• Mogofin people
• Susu people
• Yalunka people
• Zialo people

Liberia

• Gbandi people
• Mano people
• Vai people

Mali

• Bambara people
• Banka people
• Bozo people
• Duun people
• Dyula people
• Jowulu people
• Imraguen people
• Malinke people
• Soninke people
  • Marka people
  • Wangara people

Nigeria

• Busa people
• Kyenga people
• Shangawa people

Senegal/Gambia

• Bafour people
• Mandinka people

Sierra Leone

• Kono people
• Kpelle people
• Kuranko people
• Loko people
• Mandingo people
• Mende people

Mandé peoples - Wikipedia

A Mandingo from the Senegambia and a Vai person from the Windward Coast are both Mande and share the same culture albeit they speak different but similar/related languages.

agreed

 

[Apollo Creed]

yeah, there are mande groups in all those regions

Mandé peoples - Wikipedia




agreed

Yeah Mandingos were the face of much of the Western Sudanic empires so the other tribes sometimes incorrectly get called Mandingo/Mandika when people really mean to say Mande. But like I said culturally we are all the same the languages/dialects just differ (yet most are still similar) so we do the same things but may have different names for them. Then also with much of the Mande being Muslim knowing Arabic of coursed assisted with commerce.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Most Maps I've seen show Slaves from the Senegambia and Windward Cost primarily being the ones send to America in particular the Carolinas, with the bulk of Central Africans going to the Caribbean/South America.

Granted Senegambia/Windward Coast produced the LEAST amount of Slaves compared to the "Slave Coast" and Central Africa, like I said the slaves that did come from there majority went to the USA.

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map/chart I was looking for

 

[Supper]

We should also take into consideration the fact that seasoned US slave owners preferred slaves from the interior of Africa as opposed to the coast, as they were seen as being more fit for the cotton and rice economic landscape.

Well known white Natchez Mississippi planter/slaver, William Dunbar, express that Mississippi planters held a preference for Africans from the interior, stating "there are certain nations from the interior of Africa the individuals of which I have always found more civilized, at least better disposed than those from the coast, such as Bornon, Houssa, Zanfara, Zegzeg, Kapina, and Tombootoo regions". "The bornon" are those from the bornu empire, the "Houssa" are the Hausa, "Kapina" refers to those from the Katsina region of present day northern Nigeria and Southern Niger. "Zanfara" refers to the Zamfara region, another region in present day Northern Nigeria and southern Niger. Tombootoo refers to the Bambara of Mail. All of these regions happen to have heavy islamic influenced populations.

We have the account of people like Mahommah Gardo Baquaqua, of the Nilo-Saharan Dendi people, who were brought to the US as slaves.
Mahommah Gardo Baquaqua - Wikipedia

Dendi people - Wikipedia

 

[BigMan]

Virginia and SC seem to have gotten a lot of central and even SE enslaved bantus which accounted for approximately a quarter of all slaves sent in the TAS and around that percentage of AA ancestry.

For example, a group of Gullah/Seminole peoples from SC made their way to Florida where they founded the city of Angola before migrating to Cuba.

Didin't VA and MD get large Igbo populations?

Also with the Mande connection I believe this is why people from the outside use Mande and Mandingo interchangeable (incorrectly), being that we all inhabited Mali. I also believe it ties in to how Mandingo became synonymous with "Big Brute Black Men" as it was a descriptor to describe characteristics of Mande Slaves (due to us all have a common ancestor/ancestors).

For example Mande people are often times tall (I'm 6'3 my grandfather was 6'6) while the people who inhabited Liberia where my parents are from before our Tribe got there are historically short people.

so i'm guessing the Mande were originally one people living in Mali and then dispersed towards the coast after the fall of Ghana/Mali/Songhai?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Didin't VA and MD get large Igbo populations?

 

[Poitier]

@IllmaticDelta

I see "Mina" listed under Bight of Benin but is that an actual ethnic group?
I was reading up on the Mina communities in NOLA and S America/Spanish Caribbean and there seems to be some confusion about the term.
Seems like it could also apply to the Gold Coast
Kind of off topic but I only ask because I was trying to find out more about the Point Coupee and Mina "conspiracies."

https://books.google.com/books?id=uFodWson5NAC&pg=PA119&lpg=PA119&dq=Mina+(Louisiana)&source=bl&ots=uJhjlD6NFC&sig=xzV5FLQEkMu6WTzllltzE6IJSyQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwis8qvr36HYAhWo6YMKHcYDAfQQ6AEIYjAO#v=onepage&q=Mina (Louisiana)&f=false

 

[Apollo Creed]

Didin't VA and MD get large Igbo populations?

so i'm guessing the Mande were originally one people living in Mali and then dispersed towards the coast after the fall of Ghana/Mali/Songhai?

Correct.

 

[BigMan]

@IllmaticDelta

I see "Mina" listed under Bight of Benin but is that an actual ethnic group?
I was reading up on the Mina communities in NOLA and S America/Spanish Caribbean and there seems to be some confusion about the term.
Seems like it could also apply to the Gold Coast
Kind of off topic but I only ask because I was trying to find out more about the Point Coupee and Mina "conspiracies."

https://books.google.com/books?id=uFodWson5NAC&pg=PA119&lpg=PA119&dq=Mina+(Louisiana)&source=bl&ots=uJhjlD6NFC&sig=xzV5FLQEkMu6WTzllltzE6IJSyQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwis8qvr36HYAhWo6YMKHcYDAfQQ6AEIYjAO#v=onepage&q=Mina (Louisiana)&f=false

not that i know the answer to your question but europeans often mislabeled the ethnic origins of slaves or named them after the ports they were exported from so just because one was for example taken from Elmina (often they were called Mina) doesn't mean they were Asante/Fante (whom we associated with Gold Coast where Elmina was)