Afram history that's hardly ever talked about: Black Loyalist->Nova Scotion->Sierre Leone Creole

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Mande tribes are found in Benin, Burkina Faso, Côte d'Ivoire, Chad, The Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal and Sierra Leone.

What makes it far fetched to you?

Virginia and SC seem to have gotten a lot of central and even SE enslaved bantus which accounted for approximately a quarter of all slaves sent in the TAS and around that percentage of AA ancestry.

For example, a group of Gullah/Seminole peoples from SC made their way to Florida where they founded the city of Angola before migrating to Cuba.
 

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Actually SC DID get a lot of Mande like @LordCashmere mentioned.

Lot, sure. Most? idk about that. Once again, the reason the Carolinas had so many rebellions early on was due to the presence of slaves who understood Portuguese....thats why they fled to Spanish territory in the 1st place. Mande peoples would not be aware of this.

And I never heard of significant SE Bantus being in SC.

Gullah Jack, for instance, who was from Zanzibar.
 

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Virginia and SC seem to have gotten a lot of central and even SE enslaved bantus which accounted for approximately a quarter of all slaves sent in the TAS and around that percentage of AA ancestry.

For example, a group of Gullah/Seminole peoples from SC made their way to Florida where they founded the city of Angola before migrating to Cuba.

Most Maps I've seen show Slaves from the Senegambia and Windward Cost primarily being the ones send to America in particular the Carolinas, with the bulk of Central Africans going to the Caribbean/South America.

Granted Senegambia/Windward Coast produced the LEAST amount of Slaves compared to the "Slave Coast" and Central Africa, like I said the slaves that did come from there majority went to the USA.

Most of this stuff is estimates though so I'm not going to lean on anything as fact, I'm just coming to my on conclusions based on what I have been presented.
 

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Actually SC DID get a lot of Mande like @LordCashmere mentioned. Central Africans were NOT big rice producers like Gullah people are today. And I never heard of significant SE Bantus being in SC. Virginia is a different story.


sc has a large mende input but also a large bantu input

According to Port of Charleston records, enslaved Africans shipped to the port came from the following areas: Angola (39%), Senegambia (20%), the Windward Coast (17%), the Gold Coast (13%), Sierra Leone (6%), and Madagascar, Mozambique, and the two Bights (5% combined) (Pollitzer, 1999:43).[14] The term "Windward Coast" often referred to Sierra Leone,[15] so the total figure of slaves from that region is higher than 6%.


Most Maps I've seen show Slaves from the Senegambia and Windward Cost primarily being the ones send to America in particular the Carolinas, with the bulk of Central Africans going to the Caribbean/South America.

Granted Senegambia/Windward Coast produced the LEAST amount of Slaves compared to the "Slave Coast" and Central Africa, like I said the slaves that did come from there majority went to the USA.

Most of this stuff is estimates though so I'm not going to lean on anything as fact, I'm just coming to my on conclusions based on what I have been presented.

see my above post
 

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Lot, sure. Most? idk about that. Once again, the reason the Carolinas had so many rebellions early on was due to the presence of slaves who understood Portuguese....thats why they fled to Spanish territory in the 1st place. Mande peoples would not be aware of this.
What does Portuguese have to do with anything???? Especially on Anglo slave plantations?


Gullah Jack, for instance, who was from Zanzibar.

Never heard about that. Either way most sources state SC had significant rice coast population because they needed slaves for rice cultivation.
 

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Actually SC DID get a lot of Mande like @LordCashmere mentioned. Central Africans were NOT big rice producers like Gullah people are today. And I never heard of significant SE Bantus being in SC. Virginia is a different story.

I saw an interesting theory that Mande people were sent to the Carolinas because Rice harvesting was a big skill of ours and part of our culture compared to Slaves in the Slave Coast and Central Africans who more so lean on Yams more so than rice in their culture.
 

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Most Maps I've seen show Slaves from the Senegambia and Windward Cost primarily being the ones send to America in particular the Carolinas, with the bulk of Central Africans going to the Caribbean/South America.

Granted Senegambia/Windward Coast produced the LEAST amount of Slaves compared to the "Slave Coast" and Central Africa, like I said the slaves that did come from there majority went to the USA.

Most of this stuff is estimates though so I'm not going to lean on anything as fact, I'm just coming to my on conclusions based on what I have been presented.

America didn't get a large bulk of slaves.

Pretty much every ethnic group was sent to the Caribbean/South America at a larger volume than America.

You have to look at percentages:

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Virginia and SC seem to have gotten a lot of central and even SE enslaved bantus which accounted for approximately a quarter of all slaves sent in the TAS and around that percentage of AA ancestry.

For example, a group of Gullah/Seminole peoples from SC made their way to Florida where they founded the city of Angola before migrating to Cuba.

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What does Portuguese have to do with anything???? Especially on Anglo slave plantations?

You're missing the point.
You can't wax poetic about the Stono Rebellion or the Black Seminoles and not realize the enslaved Africans who would have understood the importance of Catholicism and Spain by proxy of Florida would have been those who came into contact with it prior.


Never heard about that. Either way most sources state SC had significant rice coast population because they needed slaves for rice cultivation.

The only reason Mande people were later imported at a higher volume was because bantu slaves were unruly though I'm sure rice cultivation made it a fair deal in the eyes of the colonizers.
 

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"Thereafter, planters in South Carolina, Georgia and Louisiana preferred enslaved Africans from Senegambia because of their experience in rice cultivation. This would explain in part why Americans imported a relatively large proportion of Senegambians. In French Louisiana, a captain was instructed “to try to purchase several blacks who know how to cultivate rice."
MANA - Muslim Alliance in North America

Of the approximately 388,000 Africans who landed in America, almost 92,000 (24 percent) were Senegambians. In the early decades of immigration to the Chesapeake region before 1700, there were more immigrants from Senegambia (almost 6,000) than from the Bight of Biafra (about 5,000), and they totaled about 31,000 by the end of the migration, representing almost a third of all arrivals from Senegambia. About 45,000 Senegambians were settled in the coastal Low Country of the Carolinas and Georgia, where they constituted 21 percent of African immigrants. Senegambians were also prominent among African immigrants in the northern colonies, accounting for about 28 percent of arrivals, or over 7,000 people. Almost 9,000 Senegambiansoften identified as Bambara or Mandingo — went to the Gulf region, especially to Louisiana, where they constituted about 40 percent of the population arriving from Africa.
Hence, people from Senegambia were prominent everywhere in the United States, much more so than virtually anywhere else in the Western Hemisphere, although there were also considerable numbers of Senegambians in the French Caribbean islands and in French Guiana. Senegambia was strongly influenced by Islam, more so than any other region of origin, which means that many enslaved Africans in the United States had been exposed to Islam, more so proportionately than in the rest of the Americas.
There were many Muslims in Brazil in the nineteenth century, mostly in Bahia, but they came from the central Sudan (northern Nigeria and adjacent areas), unlike those who were sent to the United States. Muslims were clearly present in both the low country of Carolina and Georgia and in the Tidewater region of Virginia and Maryland. Adult Muslim males stand out prominently, while there are very few references to Muslim women. This reflects what is known about the slave trade originating in the interior of West Africa, which was composed almost entirely of males."
Senegambia, the Gold Coast, and the Bight of Benin - U.S. Slave Trade - The Abolition of The Slave Trade

 

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You're missing the point.
You can't wax poetic about the Stono Rebellion or the Black Seminoles and not realize the enslaved Africans who would have understood the importance of Catholicism and Spain by proxy of Florida would have been those who came into contact with it prior.




The only reason Mande people were later imported at a higher volume was because bantu slaves were unruly though I'm sure rice cultivation made it a fair deal in the eyes of the colonizers.

Im not denying the large amount of Angolan slaves in SC. Everyone knows that. But the fact is SC ALSO had a significant Mande populations especially based on the rice culture. Bantu slaves soon stopped being imported. And I was the one who use to bring up Bantu slaves being unruly.
 

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Once again, no one is saying Mande people didn't have a presence but the Virginia/Carolinas had the most diverse enslaved African populations in the Americas sans Florida.

African American Place of Origin

Back to African American Research

Place of Origin

80+ percent of all slaves arriving in North America came directly from Africa

  • Senegambia—13 percent (coast between present day Senegal and Gambia)
  • Gold Coast—16 percent (most of present day Ghana)
  • Bight of Biafra—23 percent (most of present day Nigeria and Cameroon))
  • Windward Coast—11 percent (present day Liberia and Ivory Coast)
  • Region between Angola and Congo—25 percent (present day Congo, Zaire, Angola, Namibia)
Ports of Arrival

As popular as DNA is in providing clues to ancestral origins, learning the likely port of entry for one’s African American ancestry will give important clues to their place of origin in Africa. Below are distributions of African origins based upon entry into the U.S. in South Carolina, Virginia, and New Orleans.

South Carolina

40 percent of all Africans arrived through Charleston, SC from the following areas:

  • Angola/Congo represented 40 percent
  • Senegambia represented 19 percent
  • Windward Coast represented 16 percent
  • Gold Coast represented 13 percent
Virginia

Others arrived at various ports in Virginia from the following locals:

  • Bight of Biafra represented 37.7 percent
  • Gold Coast represented 16 percent
  • Angola/Congo represented 15.7 percent
  • Senegambia represented by 14.9 percent
  • Windward Coast represented by 6.3 percent
  • Sierra Leone represented by 5.5 percent
  • Mozambique/Madagascar represented by 4.1 percent
  • See Bound Away: Virginia and the Westward Movement by David Fischer and James Kelly, University of Virginia Press, 2000; page 61.
New Orleans

  • 92 percent of Africans brought to Louisiana arrived between 1719 and 1730.
  • Two-thirds of slaves arriving in Louisiana were from Senegambia, mostly Bambara people from present day Mali, and Wolof’s located at the mouth of the Senegal River.
  • Nearly 30 percent of enslaved people to Louisiana came from the Bight of Benin near present day Togo and Benin.
  • The remaining 5 percent came from the Congo or Angola.
  • See Gwendolyn Hall’s book, Africans in Colonial Louisiana: The Development of Afro-Creole Culture in Eighteenth Century Louisiana (Baton Rouge, Louisiana: Louisiana State University Press, 1995), 34-40.
North Carolina

Few slaves were brought directly to North Carolina ports because natural harbors were lacking.


See Dee Parmer Wootor’s comprehensive book Finding a Place Called Home: A Guide to African American Genealogy and Historical Identity, especially chapter 14, "The Last African and the First American" (New York: Random House, 1999).

Slave Generations

First African came to Jamestown in 1619. William Tucker, born in 1624, was the first recorded African American born on American soil. There were 12 generations of slavery between 1619 and 1865. According to Finding a Place Called Home, until the 1820s, more than twice as many people of African descent crossed the Atlantic Ocean as Europeans.
 

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America didn't get a large bulk of slaves.

Pretty much every ethnic group was sent to the Caribbean/South America at a larger volume than America.

You have to look at percentages:

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I get that. For example DNA Ancestry has a feature called "genetic communities" and my communities match "very strong" to Georgia/Carolinas and the Caribbean, while interestingly enough they have a "Virginia" genetic community and most of the people in that group have Nigerian/Benin Ancestry.

From what I understand outside of the Carolinas, another area that had a big Mande connection is Mississippi.

Based on Mande migrations beginning at the decline of Mali I'd bet majority if not all of the slaves sourced from Senegambia, Sierra Leone, Liberia, and the Ivory Coast (and to a degree eastern and Northern Ghana) were Mande.
 

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Once again, no one is saying Mande people didn't have a presence but NOLA and the Virginia/Carolinas had the most diverse enslaved African populations in the Americas sans Florida.

African American Place of Origin

Back to African American Research

Place of Origin

80+ percent of all slaves arriving in North America came directly from Africa

  • Senegambia—13 percent (coast between present day Senegal and Gambia)
  • Gold Coast—16 percent (most of present day Ghana)
  • Bight of Biafra—23 percent (most of present day Nigeria and Cameroon))
  • Windward Coast—11 percent (present day Liberia and Ivory Coast)
  • Region between Angola and Congo—25 percent (present day Congo, Zaire, Angola, Namibia)
Ports of Arrival

As popular as DNA is in providing clues to ancestral origins, learning the likely port of entry for one’s African American ancestry will give important clues to their place of origin in Africa. Below are distributions of African origins based upon entry into the U.S. in South Carolina, Virginia, and New Orleans.

South Carolina

40 percent of all Africans arrived through Charleston, SC from the following areas:

  • Angola/Congo represented 40 percent
  • Senegambia represented 19 percent
  • Windward Coast represented 16 percent
  • Gold Coast represented 13 percent
Virginia

Others arrived at various ports in Virginia from the following locals:

  • Bight of Biafra represented 37.7 percent
  • Gold Coast represented 16 percent
  • Angola/Congo represented 15.7 percent
  • Senegambia represented by 14.9 percent
  • Windward Coast represented by 6.3 percent
  • Sierra Leone represented by 5.5 percent
  • Mozambique/Madagascar represented by 4.1 percent
  • See Bound Away: Virginia and the Westward Movement by David Fischer and James Kelly, University of Virginia Press, 2000; page 61.
New Orleans

  • 92 percent of Africans brought to Louisiana arrived between 1719 and 1730.
  • Two-thirds of slaves arriving in Louisiana were from Senegambia, mostly Bambara people from present day Mali, and Wolof’s located at the mouth of the Senegal River.
  • Nearly 30 percent of enslaved people to Louisiana came from the Bight of Benin near present day Togo and Benin.
  • The remaining 5 percent came from the Congo or Angola.
  • See Gwendolyn Hall’s book, Africans in Colonial Louisiana: The Development of Afro-Creole Culture in Eighteenth Century Louisiana (Baton Rouge, Louisiana: Louisiana State University Press, 1995), 34-40.
North Carolina

Few slaves were brought directly to North Carolina ports because natural harbors were lacking.


See Dee Parmer Wootor’s comprehensive book Finding a Place Called Home: A Guide to African American Genealogy and Historical Identity, especially chapter 14, "The Last African and the First American" (New York: Random House, 1999).

Slave Generations

First African came to Jamestown in 1619. William Tucker, born in 1624, was the first recorded African American born on American soil. There were 12 generations of slavery between 1619 and 1865. According to Finding a Place Called Home, until the 1820s, more than twice as many people of African descent crossed the Atlantic Ocean as Europeans.

My argument to this is the people in the Windward Coast and Senegambia are all Mande lol, even portions of the Gold Coast to a degree.

A Mandingo from the Senegambia and a Vai person from the Windward Coast are both Mande and share the same culture albeit they speak different but similar/related languages.
 
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