They'll probably be overly enthusiastic about it to show how progressive they are.
But, I wasn't saying that to suggest Biden wont make it through his term...just that his position is an incredibly thankless one right now.
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They'll probably be overly enthusiastic about it to show how progressive they are.
But, I wasn't saying that to suggest Biden wont make it through his term...just that his position is an incredibly thankless one right now.
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let dem mans leave!!!!
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how often do presidents go back and renegotiate, undo, or otherwise change plans and agreements made by previous presidents? its ridiculous and straight up disingenuous to act as if the idea is unprecedented. incoming presidents often campaign on the promise of walking back decisions made by the previous admin. when you take office, you inherit problems and hopefully bring better solutions. but here's a recognizable example i guess, if trump can throw a whole nuclear deal in the bushes - then biden should be able to throw his weight around a little better and not have to be on stage explaining why the taliban's deadline is in everyone's best interest.
so if you have a flood of reports saying shyt is about to hit the fan, literal taliban convoys rolling through strongholds, jailbreaks of former extremists, etc - you'd like to think that reacting to a changing situation at best/rapidly deteriorating one at worst will lead to some sort of initiative on the agenda. not getting on the podium to say x will never happen in response to directed questions on the topic only to watch it unfold as predicted.
and x soldiers = y force projected is oversimplified. one fortress of an airbase even running on skeleton crews vs zero fortress of an airbase is a gigantic difference.
im not even trying to convince people of how dumb all this is anymore. but if you guys want to know why some are going to feel differently than you on all this, i'll lay it out.
while all these statements sound nice, i'm not shocked at all that information from as near as jalalabad is drying up
You're speaking from hindsight and with some unrealistic expectations as well.
First off, the assumption here was that the Afghan military would still be in control of Kabul.
Once that situation deteriorated there really wasn't a time or a need to hold additional talks.
Do you lose more than 13 lives in your scenario? Do you achieve the primary goal of leaving Afghanistan?
I hate to be frank, but most Americans have moved on.
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Changing domestic policy is one thing. Republicans in the Senate won’t start shooting Dems if they campaign on increasing refugees from Mexico.?
how often do presidents go back and renegotiate, undo, or otherwise change plans and agreements made by previous presidents? its ridiculous and straight up disingenuous to act as if the idea is unprecedented. incoming presidents often campaign on the promise of walking back decisions made by the previous admin. when you take office, you inherit problems and hopefully bring better solutions. but here's a recognizable example i guess, if trump can throw a whole nuclear deal in the bushes - then biden should be able to throw his weight around a little better and not have to be on stage explaining why the taliban's deadline is in everyone's best interest.
so if you have a flood of reports saying shyt is about to hit the fan, literal taliban convoys rolling through strongholds, jailbreaks of former extremists, etc - you'd like to think that reacting to a changing situation at best/rapidly deteriorating one at worst will lead to some sort of initiative on the agenda. not getting on the podium to say x will never happen in response to directed questions on the topic only to watch it unfold as predicted.
and x soldiers = y force projected is oversimplified. one fortress of an airbase even running on skeleton crews vs zero fortress of an airbase is a gigantic difference.
im not even trying to convince people of how dumb all this is anymore. but if you guys want to know why some are going to feel differently than you on all this, i'll lay it out.
while all these statements sound nice, i'm not shocked at all that information from as near as jalalabad is drying up
The Taliban made a deal and so far were honoring it in not killing Americans. So if you just decide that “nah, f that” you likely end up with more than 14 dead marines when the fighting starts. We already have seen how hard it is to strike new deals with Iran after going against our other one.
We were just a stop gap measure. We were never willing to do what it took to nation build. Getting rid of the funding sources for these terrorist groups would have meant going into Pakistan for another war.
There's no hindsight about it
Biden was ducking questions and joking while shyt was going off the rails for weeks. Kabul University getting shot to shyt should've made what ANA control looked like abundantly clear. If you don't care, cool. "We did a bad job - but its the best we could do. lets move on" is bad logic.
We switch up on FP plenty. So I really can't call it a domestic situation only thing.
There's handing off control of provincial and overarching government and then there's literally telling Taliban to watch your back while you hold a clusterfukk of an evacuation with a massive bullseye on it.
The idea that this the best scenario and the only other is staying in Afghanistan indefinitely is wild to me. Civilians first, soldiers last is basic. Yal go on ahead tho
You're a vet and you seem to be struggling to view them from any different perspective.There's no hindsight about it
Kabul University getting shot to shyt should've made what ANA control looked like abundantly clear. If you don't care, cool. "We did a bad job - but its the best we could do. lets move on" is bad logic.
Reversing course on the withdrawal and committing to a troop surge in Afghanistan while not passing infrastructure, increasing min wage, nor forgiving student loan debt would have Biden DOA.
It's unfortunate 13 troops lost their lives, but it really isn't more important than fixing stuff back home just to appease the war crowd.
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That’s not what i said. I said there’s no threat of physical violence for domestic change of policy.
In foreign policy, there’s a threat to your military, foreign population, and business when you just pull a 180.
International shipping lines attacked by pirates cause you topple a foreign government. That’s not happening off the coast of California by Republicans.
Where’s these safe hands to hand things off to?
Afghanistan was/is a bunch of regional warlords handling the their own territory.
A fully functional overarching government was what we were supposed to have spend billions making.
So why are we acting incredulous that a bunch of warlords took over our shambling government infrastructure?
Who said this? A fully free Afghanistan is the best case scenario. Anything else is a failure.The idea that this the best scenario and the only other is staying in Afghanistan indefinitely is wild to me. Civilians first, soldiers last is basic. Yal go on ahead tho
Did we go over there to build an American colony?
Did we just want a base further in the ME?
Cause none of that is what people were sold on.
He asked to leave nicely, they left him no choiceUncle Joe really sittin at home likeI wish a nikka would
don’t let me find out Scranton Joe is the type of nikka hoping a nikka bump into him so he can start a fight
One of the soldiers parents said Biden failed his son.. that they sent him over there to be a paper pusher and how Biden turned his back on the troops…
I understand that parent is grieving but act like Joe’s own son who served didn’t die due to the effects of war brehs… That parent can’t come at Biden like that and no realize Joe understands exactly what he’s going through
