growing pains and kinks
They'll cut this shyt out when they realize the international community will put them on 1998 status.
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growing pains and kinks
They'll cut this shyt out when they realize the international community will put them on 1998 status.
its no difference from the rest of the middle east except the guys with the guns from the govt are watching from the control roomthis is beyond surreal, if that makes any sense?
wtf!?
Hood Critic
The Power Circle
Tragic but this type of thing has been happening for 2 decades now, it should be even more motivation for the US to leave Afghanistan. This is what urban warfare looks like, legit military targets intermingle with civilian targets. This will work out for them IF the target is not a high priority target but if a high priority target is identified, higher ups are going to green light the strike and those carrying it out will do what they can to minimize non-target casualties. But the reality is, no matter how precise targeting is, you can't control target area factors such as accelerants and structures that will act as shrapnel.
I hope this is fake news
hands down, this thread is p4p depressing shyt I've ever read on here..
the again, the media been super rampant with lies and half truths!!
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
new account with few followers so hopefully
hell we've got people framing it like the US killed that family intentionally
what's mostly been reported is that what the US hit there were so much explosives there it also killed this poor family, I can only hope that it prevented those explosives from killing more innocent people
collateral damage, horribly put but that's how it is. We are Collateral victims too when we get hit on a random day. Whenever that is?
Yeah this is terrible this is the type of shyt that blows back on us, yes those missions are difficult to put military personnel in buy these people arent collateral damage smh
Ok if thats the truth that makes sense.
Hood Critic
The Power Circle
2 reasons why this is nonsense:
1. We don't blindly trust the intelligence of our closest allies in Europe so why would we blindly take intel from the Taliban at face value?
2. We know where "our" interpreters reside as well as where they're laying low - why would we "mistakenly" strike one of those locations?
A bonus for you: if the Taliban has intel on high priority ISIS-X targets, why aren't they hitting them since they are at war with them as well?
Json
Superstar
C. Just wait a few days for the Americans to leave and kill anyone you want when no one is watching?
These neighboring countries are HOH on these afghans 
WSJ News Exclusive | Uzbekistan Warns U.S. That Afghan Pilots and Their Families Can’t Stay
wsj.com
WSJ News Exclusive | Uzbekistan Warns U.S. That Afghan Pilots and Their Families Can’t Stay
Siobhan Hughes and Jessica Donati
7-9 minutes
WASHINGTON—Facing Taliban pressure, Uzbekistan has warned the U.S. that a group of highly trained Afghan pilots who fled there two weeks ago aboard Afghan Air Force helicopters and airplanes face expulsion from the country, officials say.
Uzbekistan is urging Washington to act quickly to take the pilots to a third country to avoid inflaming relations with the Taliban in neighboring Afghanistan, these officials say. Uzbekistan has maintained relations with the group for years while carefully hedging between powers vying for influence in Afghanistan.
The U.S. effort to train and build an Afghan air force was among the most celebrated programs in support of the country’s military. The U.S. spent billions of dollars on the air force, including on training, maintenance and the supply of dozens of helicopters and planes.
A 2018 graduation ceremony in Kandahar of Afghan Air Force pilots.
Photo: muhammad sadiq/epa-efe/rex/Shutterstock
The Afghan government and military collapsed earlier this month, and the Taliban has taken control of most of the country.
Some Afghan pilots flew themselves to safety with hundreds of family members and colleagues aboard 46 Afghan Air Force helicopters and planes. These pilots are among the Taliban’s most hated enemies because of their role in airstrikes that inflicted high numbers of casualties during the decadeslong conflict. The Taliban also have called on Uzbekistan to return the aircraft to Afghanistan.
The issue has come to the attention of Secretary of State Antony Blinken. Rep. August Pfluger (R., Texas), a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee and former U.S. Air Force pilot, asked Mr. Blinken to intervene to help the pilots who face the risk of reprisal from the Taliban.
“In my mind, worst-case scenario was they go back to Afghanistan, and they’re murdered, but for sure they’re going to be met with what I would say is an uncertain fate,” Mr. Pfluger said.
In response to questions, the State Department said, “We thank the Uzbek government for continuing to host Afghans in Uzbekistan while we pursue all avenues for their long-term safety and security.”
The State Department has been slow to respond to the matter, a foreign official said, frustrating the Uzbek government.
A Texas woman from Mr. Pfluger’s district, whose daughter is married to one of the Afghan pilots, contacted his office for help. Jerri, the pilot’s wife, said they had spoken only twice since the fall of Kabul. The Wall Street Journal agreed to use only her first name.
“He told me, ‘I might not be able to talk to you again; this might be the last time, and I love you,’ ” Jerri said, recounting the 3 a.m. phone call on the night after Kabul fell to the Taliban.
She said that he called her later to say that the pilots had made it to Uzbekistan but that his phone was about to be confiscated.
Mr. Pfluger said Uzbekistan’s ambassador to the U.S. told him last week that the pilots “don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here,” citing pressure over the issue from the Taliban. The Taliban, which has also demanded that Uzbekistan return the missing Afghan Air Force aircraft, didn’t respond to a request for comment.
Mr. Pfluger also raised the issue last week with Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman. She spoke with Uzbekistan Foreign Minister Abdulaziz Kamilov, according to a U.S. statement about the conversation, and thanked him for continuing to cooperate on the “temporary relocation of vulnerable Afghans.”
Afghan Evacuation Winds Down as U.S. Departure Looms: What’s Next
As U.S. troops pack up to leave Afghanistan, attacks between the military and Islamic State militants have increased. WSJ’s Sune Rasmussen explains how the security situation in the final days has added to Afghans' concerns about life under Taliban rule and what could come next. Photo: Wakil Kohsar/AFP/Getty Images
The Uzbek government has had a working relationship with the Taliban for years and views their takeover of Kabul as a sign of the broad support the group enjoyed across Afghanistan, the foreign official said. The ousted Afghan president, who also fled Kabul via Uzbekistan, was allowed only to refuel at the airport and wasn’t greeted by any Uzbek officials.
In all, 585 Afghans, including pilots, crew and families, arrived aboard the aircraft. The Uzbeks had “no idea” who was aboard until they landed, the foreign official said. The Afghans are now being housed in lodging previously used as mobile hospitals during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic in Uzbekistan.
The Taliban are pressuring officials at Uzbekistan’s embassy in Kabul to turn over the pilots, the foreign official said, and have warned that the pilots’ families in Afghanistan will be at risk if they aren’t handed over immediately.
“I am very worried that Taliban pressure on the Uzbek government will be so much so that they will be sent back, and we know what their fate will be,” Mr. Pfluger recalled telling Mr. Blinken.
Jerri said she has been communicating with her brother-in-law and sister-in-law in Kabul. She and her husband married in 2019. A marriage visa was approved just two weeks ago, she believes thanks to the help of Mr. Pfluger.
A new hurdle has emerged since the U.S. Embassy in Kabul closed because that embassy would have handled the next step in the documentation process involving Jerri’s husband. The family has been trying to switch the processing center to the U.S. Embassy in Uzbekistan.
“We’re on hold because we don’t know if the secretary of state is going to issue across-the-board visas for the pilots,” Jerri’s mother said.
Afghanistan Under Taliban Rule
Write to Siobhan Hughes at siobhan.hughes@wsj.com and Jessica Donati at jessica.donati@wsj.com
WSJ News Exclusive | Uzbekistan Warns U.S. That Afghan Pilots and Their Families Can’t Stay
wsj.com
WSJ News Exclusive | Uzbekistan Warns U.S. That Afghan Pilots and Their Families Can’t Stay
Siobhan Hughes and Jessica Donati
7-9 minutes
WASHINGTON—Facing Taliban pressure, Uzbekistan has warned the U.S. that a group of highly trained Afghan pilots who fled there two weeks ago aboard Afghan Air Force helicopters and airplanes face expulsion from the country, officials say.
Uzbekistan is urging Washington to act quickly to take the pilots to a third country to avoid inflaming relations with the Taliban in neighboring Afghanistan, these officials say. Uzbekistan has maintained relations with the group for years while carefully hedging between powers vying for influence in Afghanistan.
The U.S. effort to train and build an Afghan air force was among the most celebrated programs in support of the country’s military. The U.S. spent billions of dollars on the air force, including on training, maintenance and the supply of dozens of helicopters and planes.
A 2018 graduation ceremony in Kandahar of Afghan Air Force pilots.
Photo: muhammad sadiq/epa-efe/rex/Shutterstock
The Afghan government and military collapsed earlier this month, and the Taliban has taken control of most of the country.
Some Afghan pilots flew themselves to safety with hundreds of family members and colleagues aboard 46 Afghan Air Force helicopters and planes. These pilots are among the Taliban’s most hated enemies because of their role in airstrikes that inflicted high numbers of casualties during the decadeslong conflict. The Taliban also have called on Uzbekistan to return the aircraft to Afghanistan.
The issue has come to the attention of Secretary of State Antony Blinken. Rep. August Pfluger (R., Texas), a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee and former U.S. Air Force pilot, asked Mr. Blinken to intervene to help the pilots who face the risk of reprisal from the Taliban.
“In my mind, worst-case scenario was they go back to Afghanistan, and they’re murdered, but for sure they’re going to be met with what I would say is an uncertain fate,” Mr. Pfluger said.
In response to questions, the State Department said, “We thank the Uzbek government for continuing to host Afghans in Uzbekistan while we pursue all avenues for their long-term safety and security.”
The State Department has been slow to respond to the matter, a foreign official said, frustrating the Uzbek government.
A Texas woman from Mr. Pfluger’s district, whose daughter is married to one of the Afghan pilots, contacted his office for help. Jerri, the pilot’s wife, said they had spoken only twice since the fall of Kabul. The Wall Street Journal agreed to use only her first name.
“He told me, ‘I might not be able to talk to you again; this might be the last time, and I love you,’ ” Jerri said, recounting the 3 a.m. phone call on the night after Kabul fell to the Taliban.
She said that he called her later to say that the pilots had made it to Uzbekistan but that his phone was about to be confiscated.
Mr. Pfluger said Uzbekistan’s ambassador to the U.S. told him last week that the pilots “don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here,” citing pressure over the issue from the Taliban. The Taliban, which has also demanded that Uzbekistan return the missing Afghan Air Force aircraft, didn’t respond to a request for comment.
Mr. Pfluger also raised the issue last week with Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman. She spoke with Uzbekistan Foreign Minister Abdulaziz Kamilov, according to a U.S. statement about the conversation, and thanked him for continuing to cooperate on the “temporary relocation of vulnerable Afghans.”
Afghan Evacuation Winds Down as U.S. Departure Looms: What’s Next
As U.S. troops pack up to leave Afghanistan, attacks between the military and Islamic State militants have increased. WSJ’s Sune Rasmussen explains how the security situation in the final days has added to Afghans' concerns about life under Taliban rule and what could come next. Photo: Wakil Kohsar/AFP/Getty Images
The Uzbek government has had a working relationship with the Taliban for years and views their takeover of Kabul as a sign of the broad support the group enjoyed across Afghanistan, the foreign official said. The ousted Afghan president, who also fled Kabul via Uzbekistan, was allowed only to refuel at the airport and wasn’t greeted by any Uzbek officials.
In all, 585 Afghans, including pilots, crew and families, arrived aboard the aircraft. The Uzbeks had “no idea” who was aboard until they landed, the foreign official said. The Afghans are now being housed in lodging previously used as mobile hospitals during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic in Uzbekistan.
The Taliban are pressuring officials at Uzbekistan’s embassy in Kabul to turn over the pilots, the foreign official said, and have warned that the pilots’ families in Afghanistan will be at risk if they aren’t handed over immediately.
“I am very worried that Taliban pressure on the Uzbek government will be so much so that they will be sent back, and we know what their fate will be,” Mr. Pfluger recalled telling Mr. Blinken.
Jerri said she has been communicating with her brother-in-law and sister-in-law in Kabul. She and her husband married in 2019. A marriage visa was approved just two weeks ago, she believes thanks to the help of Mr. Pfluger.
A new hurdle has emerged since the U.S. Embassy in Kabul closed because that embassy would have handled the next step in the documentation process involving Jerri’s husband. The family has been trying to switch the processing center to the U.S. Embassy in Uzbekistan.
“We’re on hold because we don’t know if the secretary of state is going to issue across-the-board visas for the pilots,” Jerri’s mother said.
Afghanistan Under Taliban Rule
Write to Siobhan Hughes at siobhan.hughes@wsj.com and Jessica Donati at jessica.donati@wsj.com
Half of it wasn't fake, it was a family with a special visa, now how did the us get that adresss is the question
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These neighboring countries are HOH on these afghans
WSJ News Exclusive | Uzbekistan Warns U.S. That Afghan Pilots and Their Families Can’t Stay
wsj.com
WSJ News Exclusive | Uzbekistan Warns U.S. That Afghan Pilots and Their Families Can’t Stay
Siobhan Hughes and Jessica Donati
7-9 minutes
WASHINGTON—Facing Taliban pressure, Uzbekistan has warned the U.S. that a group of highly trained Afghan pilots who fled there two weeks ago aboard Afghan Air Force helicopters and airplanes face expulsion from the country, officials say.
Uzbekistan is urging Washington to act quickly to take the pilots to a third country to avoid inflaming relations with the Taliban in neighboring Afghanistan, these officials say. Uzbekistan has maintained relations with the group for years while carefully hedging between powers vying for influence in Afghanistan.
The U.S. effort to train and build an Afghan air force was among the most celebrated programs in support of the country’s military. The U.S. spent billions of dollars on the air force, including on training, maintenance and the supply of dozens of helicopters and planes.
A 2018 graduation ceremony in Kandahar of Afghan Air Force pilots.
Photo: muhammad sadiq/epa-efe/rex/Shutterstock
The Afghan government and military collapsed earlier this month, and the Taliban has taken control of most of the country.
Some Afghan pilots flew themselves to safety with hundreds of family members and colleagues aboard 46 Afghan Air Force helicopters and planes. These pilots are among the Taliban’s most hated enemies because of their role in airstrikes that inflicted high numbers of casualties during the decadeslong conflict. The Taliban also have called on Uzbekistan to return the aircraft to Afghanistan.
The issue has come to the attention of Secretary of State Antony Blinken. Rep. August Pfluger (R., Texas), a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee and former U.S. Air Force pilot, asked Mr. Blinken to intervene to help the pilots who face the risk of reprisal from the Taliban.
“In my mind, worst-case scenario was they go back to Afghanistan, and they’re murdered, but for sure they’re going to be met with what I would say is an uncertain fate,” Mr. Pfluger said.
In response to questions, the State Department said, “We thank the Uzbek government for continuing to host Afghans in Uzbekistan while we pursue all avenues for their long-term safety and security.”
The State Department has been slow to respond to the matter, a foreign official said, frustrating the Uzbek government.
A Texas woman from Mr. Pfluger’s district, whose daughter is married to one of the Afghan pilots, contacted his office for help. Jerri, the pilot’s wife, said they had spoken only twice since the fall of Kabul. The Wall Street Journal agreed to use only her first name.
“He told me, ‘I might not be able to talk to you again; this might be the last time, and I love you,’ ” Jerri said, recounting the 3 a.m. phone call on the night after Kabul fell to the Taliban.
She said that he called her later to say that the pilots had made it to Uzbekistan but that his phone was about to be confiscated.
Mr. Pfluger said Uzbekistan’s ambassador to the U.S. told him last week that the pilots “don’t have to go home, but they can’t stay here,” citing pressure over the issue from the Taliban. The Taliban, which has also demanded that Uzbekistan return the missing Afghan Air Force aircraft, didn’t respond to a request for comment.
Mr. Pfluger also raised the issue last week with Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman. She spoke with Uzbekistan Foreign Minister Abdulaziz Kamilov, according to a U.S. statement about the conversation, and thanked him for continuing to cooperate on the “temporary relocation of vulnerable Afghans.”
Afghan Evacuation Winds Down as U.S. Departure Looms: What’s Next
As U.S. troops pack up to leave Afghanistan, attacks between the military and Islamic State militants have increased. WSJ’s Sune Rasmussen explains how the security situation in the final days has added to Afghans' concerns about life under Taliban rule and what could come next. Photo: Wakil Kohsar/AFP/Getty Images
The Uzbek government has had a working relationship with the Taliban for years and views their takeover of Kabul as a sign of the broad support the group enjoyed across Afghanistan, the foreign official said. The ousted Afghan president, who also fled Kabul via Uzbekistan, was allowed only to refuel at the airport and wasn’t greeted by any Uzbek officials.
In all, 585 Afghans, including pilots, crew and families, arrived aboard the aircraft. The Uzbeks had “no idea” who was aboard until they landed, the foreign official said. The Afghans are now being housed in lodging previously used as mobile hospitals during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic in Uzbekistan.
The Taliban are pressuring officials at Uzbekistan’s embassy in Kabul to turn over the pilots, the foreign official said, and have warned that the pilots’ families in Afghanistan will be at risk if they aren’t handed over immediately.
“I am very worried that Taliban pressure on the Uzbek government will be so much so that they will be sent back, and we know what their fate will be,” Mr. Pfluger recalled telling Mr. Blinken.
Jerri said she has been communicating with her brother-in-law and sister-in-law in Kabul. She and her husband married in 2019. A marriage visa was approved just two weeks ago, she believes thanks to the help of Mr. Pfluger.
A new hurdle has emerged since the U.S. Embassy in Kabul closed because that embassy would have handled the next step in the documentation process involving Jerri’s husband. The family has been trying to switch the processing center to the U.S. Embassy in Uzbekistan.
“We’re on hold because we don’t know if the secretary of state is going to issue across-the-board visas for the pilots,” Jerri’s mother said.
Afghanistan Under Taliban Rule
Write to Siobhan Hughes at siobhan.hughes@wsj.com and Jessica Donati at jessica.donati@wsj.com
They need to take the planes and pilots to the northern alliance
Officially out of Afghanistan!!
