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Timeline: Bringing Our Troops Home

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Reading this graph and seeing how it is now and the reactions... incredible....:wow:
 

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The average American doesn’t care anymore. Media just needs a story. Unfortunately we will have to take in at least 2-5 million Afghan refugees over the next 10 years. Politricks aside it is the right thing to do :manny:

the usa will be taking in refugees but I doubt it hits 2 mill or higher


on that note I could see a bunch trying to hit up europe. the french are already trying to clamp down on that
 

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Now comes the Taliban narco-state
Elaine Shannon
5-6 minutes
Before the Taliban took over Afghanistan by force, the United States and the European Union warned it that doing so would result in a cutoff of foreign aid to the country. Yet the Taliban seized control anyway. Why? Because the Taliban is very rich and can afford to scoff at Western illusions of “leverage.”

Foreign aid is superfluous if you’re running the world’s largest narco-state. That is what Afghanistan under the Taliban threatens to become.

The Afghan drug cartel consists of a dozen or so trafficking dynasties that built the Afghan drug industry from scratch after the Soviet military invasion of December 1979. Afghan kingpins now control roughly 85 percent of the world opium supply, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, which monitors illicit crops worldwide.

“Our investigations showed that the Taliban were intimately interconnected with the drug traffickers in every corner of Afghanistan,” says Mike Marsac, a retired senior Drug Enforcement Administration official who led investigations in Afghanistan and Pakistan from 2005 to 2013. “They were making tens of millions of dollars a year easily, certainly for the past 15 years.” In large parts of the country, he says, “it was increasingly difficult to separate the Taliban from the drug traffickers.”

Keith Bishop, also retired, who supervised a joint DEA/Afghan police base in Kabul from 2009 to 2012, calls opium “the Taliban’s easy, lazy gold.” The fundamentalist group also regards opium, he says, “as a weapon to poison their perceived enemies at home and abroad.”

Marsac and Bishop oversaw about 100 DEA personnel and dozens of contract police trainers sent to Afghanistan by the George W. Bush administration to try to break the nexus between the cartel and the Taliban insurgency. For several years, I was embedded in their base while I researched the Afghan cartel and its role in the conflict.

Ultimately, disrupting the cartel proved impossible, in part because key Afghan national and tribal figures were playing both sides — taking money from the drug trade while being protected as power brokers for the U.S.-led military coalition. Frustrated DEA agents had a name for those double-dealing pols: “unarrestables.”

The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) estimates that the opium economy inside Afghanistan at $1.2 billion to $2.1 billion yearly, and many more billions of dollars globally. The cartel also has diversified: In 2010, Afghanistan became the world’s biggest producer of hashish, and, since 2015 has been producing crystal meth by exploiting the abundant native herb ephedra, which contains the chemical stimulant in methamphetamine.

A 2018 BBC investigation that found that the Taliban imposed a 10 percent tax at every stage of the opium production process, providing $400 million in income from 2011 onward, “but it is believed to have significantly increased in recent years,” possibly as high as $1.5 billion. By comparison, before the Taliban takeover, the United States provided about $500 million a year to Afghanistan in humanitarian aid.

DEA agents and U.S. military officials say that some in the Taliban advanced beyond tax-collection to establish their own trafficking networks and run their own labs.

Last year, Afghan poppy plantations yielded a near-record crop of 6,300 tons of opium, according to the UNODC’s Afghanistan Opium Survey 2020. Farmers evidently anticipating bad times planted some 554,000 acres of poppy, 37 percent above the previous year.

The resulting supply glut has knocked opium prices to historic lows. But the cartel and Taliban may have a plan for that: market manipulation.

Their model worked beautifully in 1999, when the Taliban was still in power. According to DEA and U.S. intelligence veterans I interviewed, farmers overplanted and opium prices tanked. The kingpins formed an advisory council and persuaded the Taliban government to ban new poppy cultivation. Doing so won international praise for the Taliban and gave the kingpins a windfall, because they used their insider’s knowledge to buy opium cheap from unwitting, desperate farmers. Once the shortage set in and prices bounced back, they sold for fat profits, and the Taliban got its healthy cut.

Now, the Taliban controls a nation with roaring production in opium, hashish and crystal meth. Taliban leaders may well announce a crackdown on religious grounds, but don’t be fooled: It’s still about the money and always will be. Like traffickers everywhere, the Afghan cartel will invest in chaos. It’s good for business. And what’s good for the Afghan drug business is good for the Taliban. The world may soon face the richest, best-armed narco-state ever conceived.
 

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Bruh...this is wild... even Russia is scared ...

The USA shytted on Russia AND China :russ:

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Russia sees potential cooperation with Taliban, but also prepares for the worst
Robyn Dixon
8-10 minutes
MOSCOW — In the wake of the Taliban's lightning takeover of Afghanistan, Russian officials moved quickly into a two-pronged approach: cautiously reaching out to the Taliban even as Russia expanded military exercises with Tajikistan along the Afghan border.

In Russia, with its bitter memories of a failed Soviet occupation in the 1980s and humiliating withdrawal after more than nine years, there was inevitable schadenfreude to see its rival, the United States, facing its own botched departure.

Now Russia sees potential for a more influential role with the Taliban, while weighing risks of regional instability or extremism if Afghanistan slides back into civil war.

But Moscow also has sent strong signals of its military might and strategic interest in the region.

Russia has been running military exercises on Afghanistan’s borders in recent weeks and on Tuesday announced a month-long military exercise in Tajikistan, where Russia’s biggest base abroad is located.

“Is Russia worried? Yes, of course. In the 1990s when the Taliban took over Kabul, it produced a destructive spillover to neighboring countries,” said Fyodor Lukyanov, chairman of Russia’s Council on Foreign and Defense Policy.


Russian presidential envoy to Afghanistan Zamir Kabulov, left, speaks to Abdul Ghani Baradar, the Taliban's top political leader, third from left; Sher Mohammad Abbas Stanikzai, the Taliban's chief negotiator, third from right; and other members of the Taliban delegation before their talks in Moscow in May 2019. (Alexander Zemlianichenko/AP)
Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, discussed the crisis Monday with Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi.

Moscow has designated the Taliban as a terrorist group but has hosted Taliban officials several times in recent years. Key officials including Lavrov, Russia’s Ambassador to Afghanistan Dmitry Zhirnov and special presidential envoy on Afghanistan Zamir Kabulov have all spoken positively about the Taliban since the fall of Kabul.

Zhirnov and Kabulov compared the Taliban favorably to the previous government of Ashraf Ghani, who fled the country Sunday as the government collapsed and the Taliban moved in.

Lavrov said Tuesday that Russia would not rush to recognize a Taliban government. He called for an inclusive national dialogue including all political forces to establish a transitional government.

Moscow remains wary about Islamist extremism spilling from Afghanistan
and fears that the Taliban rule may descend into civil war and chaos.

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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov (Sergei Ilnitsky/Pool/Reuters)
But Lukyanov said Russia’s military was better equipped to deal with potential threats than it was in the 1990s when the Taliban last ruled. He said Russia now keeps contact with all parties in Afghanistan, in contrast with the ’90s when it focused only on the Northern Alliance, which was fighting the Taliban.

Some Russian analysts said Russia could pay a heavy price for the sudden uncertainty left behind by Washington’s nearly 20-year war.

Elena Suponina, an analyst with the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies, predicted the Taliban would not be able to ensure stability in Afghanistan.

“First, the Taliban itself is quite fragmented and there is no clear, single command. Second, regional and other powers will continue playing on these internal differences,” she said.

“And finally, there are other armed groups in Afghanistan who are unwilling to obey the Taliban,” she told the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper. She said cells of al-Qaeda and the Islamic State in Afghanistan could swiftly gain ground.

Kirill Semenov, an analyst at the Russian International Affairs Council, said the Taliban could split between those seeking a more radical, hard-line approach and those taking a softer line.

“There is a chance that a struggle for division of spheres of influence inside the Taliban itself will start. That is what we should be concerned about,” he told the newspaper.

The Taliban’s surge across the country sparked fears its fighters would target people associated with the previous government or Western forces, as well as journalists, human rights workers and women’s advocates.

Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid tried to calm fears at a news conference Tuesday, saying all enemies had been “pardoned” and pledging to allow women to study and work, but within the framework of sharia law. He would not be drawn on whether women could work as journalists.

Russian officials have been making strenuous efforts to soften the official view of the Taliban.

But Alexander Knyazev, an expert on Central Asia studies at the University of St. Petersburg, told Nezavisimaya Gazeta that the Taliban had been demonized, making it hard for officials to explain to the public their contacts with the group.

Lavrov stepped away from Russia’s terrorist designation for the group, calling it “a recognized political force.” He said the Taliban’s offer to include different voices in its government was positive, while the Foreign Ministry said the Taliban was restoring order.

“We see some encouraging signs on the part of the Taliban, who have declared their desire to have a government involving other political forces,” Lavrov told journalists Tuesday.

Russia’s ambassador to Afghanistan Zhirnov said Tuesday that he met Taliban officials in Kabul who pledged to guarantee the safety of diplomats and former government officials.

“Their approach is clear. It is good, positive and businesslike. I cannot see obstacles which will stop us from finding common ground on all the specifics,” Zhirnov said. “The current situation in Kabul is better than under Ashraf Ghani,” the Afghan president who fled the country Sunday.


Russian and Uzbek soldiers carry out military exercises near the Afghanistan border on a military training ground near Termez, Uzbekistan, on Aug. 6, 2021. (EPA-EFE/Shutterstock)
Russia’s relations with Ghani had grown chilly as the Kremlin bypassed him in talks involving the Taliban in Moscow in recent years. Russia had pressed for a transitional government including all sides but strongly condemned Ghani’s decision to flee the country as the Taliban entered Kabul.

Kabulov, the presidential envoy, warned that “the entire international community will be watching” the Taliban to ensure human rights were observed. But it was expected, he added, that Russia would eventually recognize the Taliban government.

“Today we’re witnessing a collapse of American foreign policy,” Russian State Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin said Tuesday. “Despite the ongoing developments, we aren't hearing statements from the U.S. State Department on what assistance they will provide to Afghanistan and the neighboring countries.”

Analyst Darya Mitina, a columnist with Vedomosti newspaper, noted that much of the challenges may fall on Russia and its allies Central Asia.

“The U.S. has left all the obligations and all the risks to us,” she wrote. “Guess where the main flow of refugees will rush and at whose expense the borders and armies of the Central Asian countries will be reinforced? And the Americans got onto a beautiful aircraft and flew away.”

Russia’s Central Military District said 1,000 Russian troops would take part in a month-long exercise with Tajikistan, a week after Russia wrapped up military drills near the Afghan border with 2,500 Russian, Tajik and Uzbek forces. Under its collective security treaty with Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and other regional powers, the Kremlin is obliged to send in its military in case of attack.

Tajik authorities also announced plans for three days of anti-terrorism exercises this week with forces from China’s Ministry of Public Security.

Uzbekistan’s Foreign Ministry said Tuesday it was in touch with Taliban officials to ensure the security of its border, which is near the major northern Afghan city of Mazar-e Sharif. It said would maintain “friendly and good neighborly relations with Afghanistan” but called for a government involving all major political forces of the country.

Uzbek authorities said 22 Afghan military aircraft and 24 Afghan helicopters carrying 585 Afghan servicemen flew into Uzbekistan over the weekend, landing at Termez airport. Another 158 Afghan civilians and soldiers crossed the Amu Darya River to escape Afghanistan.
 

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The Black Snake Devours the Biden Presidency
John Schindler
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Last weekend’s momentous events in Afghanistan, centered on the Taliban taking the capital Kabul, thereby collapsing the existing government, while forcing the shuttering of the U.S. Embassy there, constitutes a hinge point in world history. Nothing like it has been witnessed since 1989, when the Soviet empire began to fall apart – perhaps not coincidentally, just a few months after the Kremlin pulled its troops out of Afghanistan – culminating in the collapse of the Soviet Union itself two years later.

That hinge point created America’s unipolar moment, when U.S. hegemony stood triumphant over the globe, history supposedly had ended, and the postmodern Western democratic model, featuring open economies and free societies plus personal liberation, seemed to be the only viable option, at least for anybody seeking to be a “real” country. Even then, the Taliban were an outlier, a weird medieval throwback with their barbaric Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, which they established in 1996. It was easy to ignore them, with their ridiculous garb and unpleasant morals, at least until September 11, 2001, when 19 jihadists from Al-Qa’ida, a group which had partnered with the Taliban and enjoyed their sanctuary, felled the Twin Towers in Manhattan and blew up part of the Pentagon in the most important attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor 60 years before.

That day, the storied 9/11, birthed our War on Terrorism, bringing the rapid overthrow of the Taliban regime, and commenced our strangely diffident 20-year war in Afghanistan which came to an abrupt end over the weekend. That war, which since late 2014 has barely been a war at all – just 10 U.S. servicemembers died in Afghanistan in 2020, seven of them in accidents – stands as a painful testament to the broken nature of American war-making in this century, when our great military power time and again failed to deliver the hoped-for political outcomes promised by Washington.

Our 9/11 wars, frequently derided as America’s Forever Wars, have just come to an end – in enemy victory. There is no getting around the painful reality that, by taking back Afghanistan and reestablishing their Islamic Emirate, the Taliban won this conflict. They outlasted America and forced their will on Afghanistan, culminating in a Blitzkrieg-like advance across the country which few had considered possible. The illusion of Western power in the Greater Middle East evaporated in a couple days.

We ought to have no illusions here. The Taliban and their admirers across the Islamic world understand that they have just won a historic victory (we can assume they were as surprised by the celerity of their triumphant advance on Kabul as anyone) which looks like a divine verdict to many in the region. Salafi jihadists, who constitute a significant multinational movement of which the Taliban are a component, consider that they forced the demise of the Soviet Union three decades ago, via their victory in Afghanistan, and now they have defeated another “infidel” great power again, in the very same place.

President Joe Biden yesterday attempted to explain his decision-making concerning the disastrous withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan in a manner which few outside the president’s hardcore fanbase found convincing or edifying. It’s evident that nobody in the White House seriously pondered that the Taliban might actually win, much less rapidly, as the U.S. military pulled out of the country. Biden yesterday blamed the Afghans, including their American-built security forces, which in most cases folded before the advancing Taliban without much fight. That, however, was unseemly and dishonest, since the Pentagon yet again built a local satellite military that looked a lot liked a scaled-down version of our military, and which therefore was wholly dependent on our logistical support and airpower to hold their own. When the Biden administration pulled those out this summer, it sealed the Afghan military’s fate. The Pentagon’s departure from the vast Bagram airbase complex at the beginning of July, which contained the only airfield in the country capable of handling our largest transport aircraft, abandoned the necessary sanctuary, and a last redoubt, for our forces in case things went wrong, as they did.

Now, we have 7,000 U.S. troops in or headed to Kabul to secure the departure of Americans and Afghans whom we seek to save from Taliban vengeance – a force almost three times the size of our 2,500-troop contingent which we recently withdrew. This has become a dark comedy, but nobody is laughing (except perhaps the Taliban). Planning for this complex withdrawal seems to have barely existed in any conventional sense, while the State Department appears to have no idea how Americans are now trapped in Talibanistan: 5,000 to 10,000 reportedly, but nobody knows, neither is there any plan to evacuate them, unless the Pentagon decides to deploy a lot more than 7,000 troops to Kabul, with orders to fight the Taliban to find and save Americans.

It’s difficult to see how this all could have gone much worse, amid appalling images of desperate Afghans clinging to departing U.S. Air Force transports, then falling to their deaths. At least U.S. Central Command has managed to bribe the Taliban to prevent them from shelling our evacuation efforts, which they easily could. Today the Pentagon stated that it plans to run this escape operation until the end of August, but there’s no guarantee that it can be accomplished in that limited time

How the hell did this happen? is the relevant question at hand. It’s fashionable in Washington to proclaim “intelligence failure” whenever something goes terribly wrong in our foreign policy, but there’s scant evidence for this claim. In fact, it’s been stoutly denied by Intelligence Community stalwarts such as former Acting CIA Director Mike Morrell, who explained on the weekend: “What is happening in Afghanistan is not the result of an intelligence failure. It is the result of numerous policy failures by multiple administrations. Of all the players over the years, the Intelligence Community by far has seen the situation in Afghanistan most accurately.” Morell would say that, of course, but he’s no Biden-hater, plus his view is widely shared across the IC.

We have ample evidence that it wasn’t the spooks who were fooling the Bidenistas with hopium about what was happening in Afghanistan. Just look at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence’s IC 2021 Annual Threat Assessment, which was published in early April of this year. It cut straight to the point on Afghanistan:

We assess that prospects for a peace deal will remain low during the next year. The Taliban is likely to make gains on the battlefield, and the Afghan Government will struggle to hold the Taliban at bay if the coalition withdraws support.

· Kabul continues to face setbacks on the battlefield, and the Taliban is confident it can achieve military victory.

· Afghan forces continue to secure major cities and other government strongholds, but they remain tied down in defensive missions and have struggled to hold recaptured territory or reestablish a presence in areas abandoned in 2020.

That take was admirably clear and borne out by recent events. It’s also the IC’s unclassified take, for public release, so we should assume that the Top Secret intelligence which was passed to the Biden White House on the Taliban and their military capabilities was considerably more detailed about what was likely to happen in the event that the Pentagon pulled out of Afghanistan.

Of course, cries of “intelligence failure” often serve to mask failures of basic situational awareness. It’s tempting to blame the spooks when, really, your military doesn’t understand what’s going on around them. For years, there’s been considerable evidence that the U.S. military simply never did the work to understand the complexities of Afghanistan, and therefore the Pentagon kept repeating the same mistakes there. The reasons for this are many, including institutional pigheadedness, too-short tours in country that impeded the learning of important lessons, plus what ought to be termed bureaucratic escapism.

Not to mention that the Pentagon has been lying about the progress of its Afghan war: to civilians in Washington, to its political masters, and ultimately to itself. There’s not much in war that’s more hazardous than believing your own propaganda, and that seems to have happened to the U.S. military in Afghanistan. That said, evidence is mounting that the Biden White House ignored cautionary advice from Pentagon higher-ups, both military and civilian, about what would happen in the event of total U.S. military withdrawal from Afghanistan. To all appearances, Team Biden decided, against the counsel of the Defense Department and the Intelligence Community, to leave Afghanistan in time for the 20th anniversary of 9/11, consequences be damned.

That was a terrible mistake, one with vast geopolitical repercussions, and assessing why and how it came to pass merits serious and dispassionate investigation. Congress should examine this, but in our deeply polarized age, there’s scant reason to expect that sending this inquiry to Capitol Hill, where it belongs, will result in anything more than more partisan venom and rancor. The Biden White House kept with its predecessor’s deeply flawed peace talks with the Taliban, even though it was known that the Taliban had violated multiple aspects of that agreement, and notwithstanding that Biden was perfectly happy to scrap other Trump foreign policy initiatives which it disliked. It is all rather mysterious.

We know that President Biden desperately wanted his leaving Afghanistan not to result in scenes reminiscent of our harried flight from Saigon in April 1975. Indeed, Biden promised that painful scenes of helicopters ferrying scared Americans off our embassy roof would not be repeated, while assuring us that the Taliban wouldn’t quickly take over Afghanistan. Of course, that’s exactly what has happened, and our mounting Kabul debacle appears to be an even more shattering setback to American power and prestige than the fall of South Vietnam was. Biden was elected to be competent and compassionate compared to Trump, with his endless rage tweeting, amid reassurances that “the adults are back in charge” in Washington, yet none of that has been in evidence this week regarding the White House and Afghanistan.

Indeed, our humiliating pullout from Afghanistan is even more embarrassing than the Soviet pullout at the beginning of 1989, which the Kremlin made sure proceeded in a calm and orderly fashion, so as not to appear like the defeat it was. The 40th Army left Afghanistan with flags flying, showing good discipline, while the Soviet embassy in Kabul remain opened and unmolested even after the Soviet military withdrawal. Indeed, Moscow’s satellite regime in Kabul, contrary to everyone’s expectations, managed to hold out against the mujahidin resistance (some of whom would later become the Taliban) for three more years. The contrast now, with “our” Afghan satellite military and government having collapsed almost immediately, could not be more obvious or painful.

Thus, Russia can barely conceal its gloating at present, while China has taken to taunting tweets about what a weakened power and unreliable ally Biden’s America is now, yet the preeminent foreign winner here is Pakistan. The Taliban should not be viewed as a wholly independent actor. In many ways, it is a creation of Pakistan’s feared military intelligence service, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, which has regarded the Taliban as “their guys” since the 1990s. That relationship is neither simple nor straightforward, nor always harmonious. The Taliban refer to the ISI cynically as “the Black Snake” since it looks out for Pakistan’s interests with an eagle’s eye, but in a pinch the ISI and the Taliban are partners. Islamabad is joyous that “their guys” have taken over in Kabul again, after a 20-year hiatus, since it means that Afghanistan won’t become an Indian proxy, thereby “encircling” Pakistan, which is the Pakistani military’s greatest fear.

The ISI’s relationship with the Taliban may prove a positive for the West in the short term at least, since it may not take kindly to the new regime inviting in lots of foreign jihadists to set up shop in Afghanistan, as was the custom before 9/11. That could be bad for Islamabad’s image abroad. Nevertheless, the ISI’s role in Talibanistan is a cancerous thing in the long run. For several years, in contrast to the decade after 9/11, Americans haven’t worried much about Salafi jihadist terrorism striking us at home, but fears about mass casualty Islamist terrorism may now reemerge as a political issue in the West.

Above all, American power and prestige have been irrevocably damaged by recent images coming out of Afghanistan. American hegemony, which had been waning for at least a decade, died last weekend in Kabul. Our friends are suddenly openly questioning the competence and reliability of Washington as an ally. We ought to be concerned that our rivals such as Iran, Russia, and especially China, which aren’t bothering to conceal their glee over Biden’s Afghan exit disaster, are no longer afraid of our military might, which was just taken down several notches by a bunch of theocratic goat-herders. That military mystique for decades has gone a long way to discouraging adventurism by our rivals and enemies, who rightly feared the long reach of the Pentagon, with its bombers, drones, and eyes all over the world. That now looks a bit like a paper tiger, as a previous Communist leader in Beijing liked to put it. The end of American hegemony means a less stable world, perhaps dramatically so. All we can say for certain after last weekend is that nothing will ever quite be the same again.
 
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