Easily one of Biden's best moves
. It takes courage to end such a pointless, sunk cost fallacy war.
. It takes courage to end such a pointless, sunk cost fallacy war.
Afghanistan Thread | Taliban Rule
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I agree, but the way it was handled seems strangely slap dash. They're effectively pushing us out before his stated end of mission date...which isnt a good look.Easily one of Biden's best moves
Ultimately, if no fighting breaks out, it's all optics and politics though so I guess it doesnt matter in the long run.
the old taliban would have executed Ghani..just saying.
KABUL — The spectacular collapse of Afghanistan’s military that allowed Taliban fighters to reach the gates of Kabul on Sunday despite twenty years of training and billions of dollars in American aid began with a series of deals brokered in rural villages between the militant group and some of the Afghan government’s lowest-ranking officials.
The deals, initially offered early last year, were often described by Afghan officials as cease-fires, but Taliban leaders were in fact offering money in exchange for government forces to hand over their weapons, according to an Afghan officer and a U.S. official.
Over the next year and a half, the meetings advanced to the district level and then rapidly on to provincial capitals, culminating in a breathtaking series of negotiated surrenders by government forces, according to interviews with more than a dozen Afghan officers, police, special operations troops and other soldiers.
During the past week, more than a dozen provincial capitals have fallen to Taliban forces with little or no resistance. Early Sunday morning, the government-held city of Jalalabad surrendered to the militants without a shot fired, and security forces in the districts ringing Kabul simply melted away. Within hours, Taliban forces reached the Afghan capital’s four main entrances unopposed.
The pace of the military collapse has stunned many American officials and other foreign observers, forcing the U.S. government to dramatically accelerate efforts to remove personnel from its embassy in Kabul.
The Taliban capitalized on the uncertainty caused by the February 2020 agreement reached in Doha, Qatar, between the militant group and the United States calling for a full American withdrawal from Afghanistan. Some Afghan forces realized they would soon no longer be able to count on American air power and other crucial battlefield support and grew receptive to the Taliban’s approaches.
“Some just wanted the money,” an Afghan special forces officer said of those who first agreed to meet with the Taliban. But others saw the U.S. commitment to a full withdrawal as an “assurance” that the militants would return to power in Afghanistan and wanted to secure their place on the winning side, he said. The officer spoke on the condition of anonymity because he, like others in this report, were not authorized to disclose information to the press.
The Doha agreement, designed to bring an end to the war in Afghanistan, instead left many Afghan forces demoralized, bringing into stark relief the corrupt impulses of many Afghan officials and their tenuous loyalty to the country’s central government. Some police officers complained that they had not been paid in six months or more.
“They saw that document as the end,” the officer said, referring to the majority of Afghans aligned with the government. “The day the deal was signed we saw the change. Everyone was just looking out for himself. It was like [the United States] left us to fail.”
The negotiated surrenders to the Taliban slowly gained pace in the months following the Doha deal, according to a U.S. official and an Afghan officer. Then, after President Biden announced in April that U.S. forces would withdraw from Afghanistan this summer without conditions, the capitulations began to snowball.
Afghan security forces fly over the city of Kabul in April 2021. (Lorenzo Tugnoli for The Washington Post)
As the militants expanded their control, government-held districts increasingly fell without a fight. Kunduz, the first key city overrun by the militants, was captured a week ago. Days of negotiations mediated by tribal elders resulted in a surrender deal that handed over the last government- controlled base to the Taliban.
Soon after, negotiations in the western province of Herat yielded the resignation of the governor, top Interior Ministry and intelligence officials and hundreds of troops. The deal was concluded in a single night.
“I was so ashamed,” said a Kabul-based Interior Ministry officer, referring to the surrender of senior ministry official Abdul Rahman Rahman in Herat. “I’m just a small person, I’m not that big. If he does that, what should I do?”
Over the past month, the southern province of Helmand also witnessed a mass surrender. And as Taliban fighters closed in on the southeastern province of Ghazni, its governor fled under Taliban protection only to be arrested by the Afghan government on his way back to Kabul.
The Afghan military’s fight against the Taliban has involved several capable and motivated elite units. But they were often dispatched to provide backup for less-well-trained army and police units that have repeatedly folded under Taliban pressure.
An Afghan special forces officer stationed in Kandahar who had been assigned to protect a critical border crossing recalled being ordered by a commander to surrender. “We want to fight! If we surrender, the Taliban will kill us,” the special forces officer said.
“Don’t fire a single shot,” the commander told them as the Taliban swarmed the area, the officer later recounted. The border police surrendered immediately, leaving the special forces unit on its own. A second officer confirmed his colleague’s recollection of the events.
Unwilling to surrender or fight outmatched, the members of the unit put down their weapons, changed into civilian clothing and fled their post.
“I feel ashamed of what I’ve done,” said the first officer. But, he said, if he hadn’t fled, “I would have been sold to the Taliban by my own government.”
A police officer in an outpost few hundred yards from the Taliban position in Kandahar on July 28, 2021. (Lorenzo Tugnoli for The Washington Post)
When an Afghan police officer was asked about his force’s apparent lack of motivation, he explained that they haven’t been getting their salaries. Several Afghan police officers on the front lines in Kandahar before the city fell said they hadn’t been paid in six to nine months. Taliban payoffs have become ever more enticing.
“Without the United States, there was no fear of being caught for corruption. It brought out the traitors from within our military,” said one Afghan police officer.
Several officers with the Kandahar police force said corruption was more to blame for the collapse than incompetence. “Honestly, I don’t think it can be fixed. I think they need something completely new,” said Ahmadullah Kandahari, an officer in Kandahar’s police force.
In the days leading up to Kandahar’s capture this month, the toll on the police had become visible. Bacha, a 34-year-old police commander, had been steadily retreating for more than three months. He had grown hunched and his attire more ragged. In an interview, he said the repeated retreats had bruised his pride — but it was going without pay that made him feel desperate.
“Last time I saw you, the Taliban was offering $150 for anyone from the government to surrender and join them,” he told a reporter as the interview drew to a close. “Do you know, what is the price now?”
He didn’t laugh, and several of his men leaned forward, eager to hear the answer.
Aziz Tassal contributed to this report.
I know that the US supports and have supported dictators and repressive regimes. That's not the point. All of those countries you mentioned have legitimate governments that were not terrorist groups that overthrew a previously established government by force. That's the difference. If the Taliban took control of Afghanistan peacefully or relatively peacefully, things would be a different story.What is the difference with the US? The US supports repressive regimes like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain. The Taliban is no different from Saudi Arabia. The US spends billions every year to support their military. The US is protecting their interest. China is doing the same. Geopolitics is a cold hearted game. The US and China play it the same way. It’s all about interest. It’s just the US is a hypocritical power saying one thing but doing the other. Don’t tell you are naive enough to believe that America’s foreign policy is protecting democracies, caring about human rights, and spreading freedom around the globe?
Also, the Taliban when they had control of Afghanistan from 1996-2001, ruled it as if this was still the Dark Ages. Even though, the Taliban of today is slightly different, they have shown no evidence of being able to effectively govern a country (unlike the governments of those other countries you mentioned)
Bosnia? How was Bosnia an L for the US?US catching back to back Ls
Vietnam
Bosnia
Somalia
Afghanistan
The US and NATO successfully intervened in the Bosnian War and ended it with the Dayton Agreement.
They are taking the country back relatively peacefully
They're paying off officials and rolling into cities without firing a shot
Also, the Taliban have controlled most of the country for years. Even when we had 150,000 troops.
This is a failure that everyone has seen coming. Hell, even Biden in 2009 was against any troops surges telling Obama not to do it.
Why not?The Taliban should NOT have any international recognition from any nation (especially non-Muslim majority ones). fukk all of those nations that you mentioned
China simply bet on the the side who won
In 3 years no one will care during the 2024 election. Better to get it over with now.
Incredible post! This shyt pretty much sums up WTH is going on over there
"It's hard to help someone if they don't want to help themselves"
How's this an L?US catching back to back Ls
Vietnam
Bosnia
Somalia
Afghanistan
The USA could retake Afghanistan in 2 months if they wanted to. Just like the first time.
Yup.Easily one of Biden's best moves
Biden deserves a lot of credit. And his "hell no, I'm not taking responsibility for this mess" is accurate.
