DrBanneker
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I know what they are...I am trying to wrap my head around where this ADOS qualification thing is going. I'm not sure I'm a fan of dividing so called "pure" ADOS with people with ADOS ancestry.
ADOS Gang, What Are The Qualifications for ADOS Benefits?
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I know what they are...I am trying to wrap my head around where this ADOS qualification thing is going. I'm not sure I'm a fan of dividing so called "pure" ADOS with people with ADOS ancestry.
I think this goes without saying, but the vast majority of black people in the U.S. are ADOS. Ya'll better stop playing dumb.
xoxodede
Superstar
You kinda did: (for example, Muhammad Ali's 2nd or 3rd great grandfather was an Irish immigrant who married a freed slave)
No big deal though.
On the other stuff...
True -- but remember "FPOC" was very blurred back then. They held WAY more than 10-20% european DNA -- they were damn near White -- or half at least. And not AT ALL -- the majority of Black people today -- are descendants from the 4 Million who were enslaved -- and never around "FPOC" -- they were in the largest slave states -- and didn't have a large FPOC or -- the Free black/free Negro population.
FPOC - when we see it we think former enslaved BLACK people -- or BLACK people who were born free.
That's not exactly how it was.
FPOC/gens de couleur libres:
They were often a class of their own -- not "Black" not "White" -- many people would label them Creole -- or "colored" -- but they weren't "BLACK"/ NEGRO -- nor did they see themselves as such -- and they weren't really "mixing" with BLACK -- enslaved like that -- they wanted to keep their status -- so they married other gens de couleur libres.
In the context of the history of slavery in the Americas, free people of color (French: gens de couleur libres; Spanish: gente libre de color) were people of mixed African and European descent who were not enslaved. The term was especially used in the French colonies, including La Louisiane and settlements on Caribbean islands, such as Saint-Domingue (Haiti), Guadeloupe, and Martinique. Freed African slaves were included in the term affranchis, but historically they were considered as distinct from the free people of color. In these territories and major cities, particularly New Orleans, and those cities held by the Spanish, a substantial third class of primarily mixed-race, free people developed. These colonial societies classified mixed-race people in a variety of ways, generally related to visible features and to the proportion of African ancestry.[citation needed] Racial classifications were numerous in Latin America.
The term gens de couleur was commonly used in France's West Indian colonies prior to the abolition of slavery, where it was a short form of gens de couleur libres (French: [ʒɑ̃ də kulœʁ libʁ], "[1]
In the Thirteen Colonies settled by the British, later to become the United States, the term free negro was often used to cover the same class of people – those who were legally free and visibly of ethnic African descent. Many were people of mixed race, freed because of relation to their master or other whites. By the eighteenth century, the Upper South included many slaves of mixed race.
The term gens de couleur was commonly used in France's West Indian colonies prior to the abolition of slavery, where it was a short form of gens de couleur libres (French: [ʒɑ̃ də kulœʁ libʁ], "[1]
In the Thirteen Colonies settled by the British, later to become the United States, the term free negro was often used to cover the same class of people – those who were legally free and visibly of ethnic African descent. Many were people of mixed race, freed because of relation to their master or other whites. By the eighteenth century, the Upper South included many slaves of mixed race.
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xoxodede
Superstar
Honestly, a history and reeducation of enslavement, reconstruction, jim crow, etc -- needs to required before Reparations is given. Cause most of us don't know enough -- or ish.
Or facts are all messed up.
BTW -- saw this episode this morning. So beautiful.
I definitely know what you mean. I think as the movement continues to get bigger we will have to clarify that the issue is only with black immigrants who talk down about ADOS or laugh about Black Americans wanting to celebrate their own culture,etc. I think those who show they are allies to ADOS should be mentioned to remind people that they are basically only against detractors whether those are racist white people or problematic black people.
The movement is definitely necessary though because for the longest Black Americans would show love to Africa and recently for some reason through this generation, they get ridiculed for it and told by them that they have no culture so have to look through them. It has often been a quick knee jerk response for some time now to get into Pan African mode when it comes to "teaching a Black American child about just only Africa alone"
xoxodede
Superstar
@middlebrow
For instance, my family is from Alabama. Both sides. Like MANY AADOS.
Look at our "FPOC" and Free Negro" population.'
Here the 1860 Census numbers:
Free People of Color 1860 Census...
Alabama 2690
Arkansas 144
Florida 932
Georgia 3,500
Louisiana 18,647
Mississippi 773
North Carolina 30,463
South Carolina 9,914
Tennessee 7,300
Texas 355
Virginia 58,042
Kentucky 10,684
Missouri 3,572
Maryland 83,942
Now look at the Slave Census:
So, my family - both sides - from Alabama -- In 1860 had 435K enslaved people -- and 2,690 "FPOC" or Free Negro (two different classifications).
FPOC also enslaved Black people. "Free Negros" usually owned their family members - so they wouldn't be sold away. Big difference.
In terms of FPOC in Alabama -- they were in Mobile - due to the many Creoles there.
For instance, my family is from Alabama. Both sides. Like MANY AADOS.
Look at our "FPOC" and Free Negro" population.'
Here the 1860 Census numbers:
Free People of Color 1860 Census...
Alabama 2690
Arkansas 144
Florida 932
Georgia 3,500
Louisiana 18,647
Mississippi 773
North Carolina 30,463
South Carolina 9,914
Tennessee 7,300
Texas 355
Virginia 58,042
Kentucky 10,684
Missouri 3,572
Maryland 83,942
Now look at the Slave Census:
So, my family - both sides - from Alabama -- In 1860 had 435K enslaved people -- and 2,690 "FPOC" or Free Negro (two different classifications).
FPOC also enslaved Black people. "Free Negros" usually owned their family members - so they wouldn't be sold away. Big difference.
In terms of FPOC in Alabama -- they were in Mobile - due to the many Creoles there.
"The growing threat from abolitionist propaganda influenced the Alabama legislature to prohibit manumission in 1860. Mobile County had a large population of free blacks, many of whom were mulatto descendants of the Spanish and French. These Creole Negroes were well educated due to special provisions of Mobile law. They were prosperous merchants, barbers, blacksmiths, carpenters, draymen, and coachmen. Many were descendants of Pierre Chastang who carried supplies for Andrew Jackson's troops during the War of 1812 and, when yellow fever spread in Mobile in 1819, cared for the sick and buried the dead. He was freed by popular subscription for these public services. When Chastang died in 1848, the Alabama Planter in Mobile lauded him as a "highly esteemed and respected" member of the community.'" In 1850 Mobile had 41 percent of the state's free blacks.
"Solomon Perteet, who operated a store in 1i.1scaloosa, was another well-known free black. When Sir Charles Lyell visited Tusscaloosa in 1846, he was amazed at Perteet's accumulation of wealth from his real estate transactions.
"James T. Rapier, the son of a free Negro woman and a planter from Huntsville, was sent by his father to Canada and Scotland for his education and later during Reconstruction represented Alabama in Congress.
"Many of Alabama's free blacks owned slaves. Seven Chastang families in Mobile owned twenty-seven slaves in 1850, and two other Mobile free blacks owned thirty slaves.
"Horace King was one of the most famous free blacks in Alabama. A slave of South Carolina bridge contractor John Godwin, King supervised the construction of dozens of bridges in Alabama before and after he was manumitted by his owner with the approval of the Alabama legislature in 1846. While it was known that King worked on the Alabama capitol during construction in 1850-51, his responsibilities were not specified; however, he probably built the curving stairs. Restoration of the building in the late 1980s revealed that the bracing design that undergirded the stairs and connected them to the wall without any visible suppon was exactly the method King used to construct his bridges.
"Solomon Perteet, who operated a store in 1i.1scaloosa, was another well-known free black. When Sir Charles Lyell visited Tusscaloosa in 1846, he was amazed at Perteet's accumulation of wealth from his real estate transactions.
"James T. Rapier, the son of a free Negro woman and a planter from Huntsville, was sent by his father to Canada and Scotland for his education and later during Reconstruction represented Alabama in Congress.
"Many of Alabama's free blacks owned slaves. Seven Chastang families in Mobile owned twenty-seven slaves in 1850, and two other Mobile free blacks owned thirty slaves.
"Horace King was one of the most famous free blacks in Alabama. A slave of South Carolina bridge contractor John Godwin, King supervised the construction of dozens of bridges in Alabama before and after he was manumitted by his owner with the approval of the Alabama legislature in 1846. While it was known that King worked on the Alabama capitol during construction in 1850-51, his responsibilities were not specified; however, he probably built the curving stairs. Restoration of the building in the late 1980s revealed that the bracing design that undergirded the stairs and connected them to the wall without any visible suppon was exactly the method King used to construct his bridges.
Agreed completely. I actually wish we would be more humble and stop bringing up the handful of people like Garveys...because a handful in a century is some pretty pathetic numbers and we look silly comparing it to the vast number of ADOS that put in work.
I said before on here that when I get through college again and get my STEM degree, I actually want to go around focusing on addressing issues in the ADOS community in various areas. I actually get so irritated when seeing or hearing about family or peers constantly being stereotypes and running to Canada or UK constantly to escape things. I think I saw a story of Nigerians sending back hundreds of millions of dollars from the UK and US.
Look at this:
Nigerians’ remittances from UK highest, says World Bank
Its ridiculous man. Like invest that back...
But anyway what I was saying before is there are issues in ADOS communities not even talked about that if and when I go through college again and get my STEM degree I wanna work on. For example in Alabama anybody from that state will tell you that for a while now there are big cases of hookworms and possibly surrounding states also but predominantly in Alabama. Also Louisiana is having alot of cholera. These are third world type of issues but the media is completely ignoring it. We can understand the openly racist Republicans and fake liberal equally racist Democrats ignoring it, but its a bad look when Black immigrants are in control of alot of the media and do not discuss that at all.
Many of them have the STEM degrees I mentioned but do not go to these deep southern states and use their skills to address environmental issues like the ones I mentioned in Alabama and Louisiana. You can use engineering skills to address things like that.
As far as the media itself you are right but with the mentality that is growing now I honestly easily see there being a push to have ADOS media. Hey I can't even be mad because it was like a decade of hijacking the media and talking bad about Black Americans or just being elitist. It would be one thing if they showed respect and used their platform to address their issues but they failed badly. We got black immigrants out here making hundreds of millions from fashion and makeup and not investing that back in.
I ain't even mad
yall deserve this movement and the awakening that will come from it. Cause I know many Black immigrants would have issues if ADOS came to their countries in the Caribbean and across Africa to run for political offices, run their newspapers/mass media, attend their colleges, etc. So they are being hypocritical. If anybody goes to someone's country they should always be respectful of them and their culture. For years they have failed to do so and you could say for decades also.
GoAggieGo.
getting blitzed.
Mississippi numbers are so depressing to me; high number of slaves, some of the least amount of freed men during that time, and was probably the fire pit and belly of the beast of slavery at time time.
I talk with my brother about this, but imagine trying to run away from all of that. It would take months to get to a union state, and it would be hard to be incognito, as the whole state was pure evil; not to mention the environment. You try to run through swamp that’s infested with alligators and snakes.
I respect and have great admiration for all of my ancestors, but my Sip, Bama, Louisiana ancestors man. I salute. My maternal started out in NC, and my paternal started in MS. Once they were freed, he high tailed it straight to NC. I don’t blame him, but to all those who stayed in those Deep South states; I know it was hell on earth times 100. I salute them.
I talk with my brother about this, but imagine trying to run away from all of that. It would take months to get to a union state, and it would be hard to be incognito, as the whole state was pure evil; not to mention the environment. You try to run through swamp that’s infested with alligators and snakes.
I respect and have great admiration for all of my ancestors, but my Sip, Bama, Louisiana ancestors man. I salute. My maternal started out in NC, and my paternal started in MS. Once they were freed, he high tailed it straight to NC. I don’t blame him, but to all those who stayed in those Deep South states; I know it was hell on earth times 100. I salute them.
It's not that difficult to comprehend: If you're predecessors did not go through UNITED STATES slavery and/or Jim Crow, you're not getting any ADOS benefits 
xoxodede
Superstar
Hell yeah. Mississippi was the cream of the crop back then -- it had the highest amount of millionaires. They weren't trying to let anybody be free. And damn sure wasn't no large free black people -- and the ones who were -- more than likely FPOC -- and claiming "we no black papi" ..lol
This is a great doc. I swear - it's a great watch.
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xoxodede
Superstar
When I went to Alabama a few summers ago for the first time by myself -- to visit my daddy's family -- I swear it took me almost 2 hrs on one LONG ASS ROAD -- that was two hours after I got off the expressway -- and had to go down this street/highway -- by Tuskegee University.
Man -- it was NOTHING but plantations next to plantations and fields. No phone signal, no gas stations -- nothing -- it was extremely uncomfortable. To this day - the town has only one McDonalds, one grocery store -- and just sad times there man.
Our ancestors had no way to really escape -- they could only hide in the woods and swamps.
GoAggieGo.
getting blitzed.
Will most definitely watch, and I’ll put my brother and friends on this.
But yea, Mississippi was tough. It’s why I hate seeing us go in on folks from these Deep South states now. I know the statistics, and I also know they haven’t been given the opportunities most of us have had. I know folks say if you can make it in NYC, you can make it anywhere, but breh, if you can make it in MS, you can make it anywhere on this earth. Imagine living in some small town about 50/60 miles from Jackson, Memphis, or any of the coastal cities. Job opportunities are slim, but folks are still out here surviving.
It isn’t all bad, as these places have/had the most charismatic and caring brothers and sisters of the AA group. Barely gotta pot to piss in, but would take you in.
Maybe my ancestors originating from there, and me living there for a time, have me giving them bookoo props, but I just feel they’ve been dealing with shyt from the time they arrived here up until now, and they deserve their recognition for being strong men and women.
This is one of the main reasons I’m down with the Ados team. It ain’t just about reparations for me. My people are a special people, and deserve to be recognized as that by everyone here in this country, and not forgotten. I don’t want white folks to ever forget what they’ve done
GoAggieGo.
getting blitzed.
I took my girl to Starkville, MS for the first time a few years ago, and we drove through Alabama and MS towns that had absolutely nothing. She was amazed, and she’s a GA peach, born and raised in Atlanta. She ain’t as big on this stuff as I am; in fact, she’s pretty much given up on reparations, which is why I try to show her places in the middle of nowhere AL and MS. To show her this is the after effects of slavery and Jim Crow, and our people are owed.
My bro goes to Miss State, so whenever I’d go visit him, I’d stop at these gas stations where all the locals would hang out, listening to the blues, drinking on some liquor, and just talkin, shooting the breeze. I’d join in for about 30 mins, get a MD 20/20(shouldn’t have been drinking and then driving lol), then go see my lil bro at school. I was always so amazed at how there was nothing out there, yet I felt so at peace, kind of like I was home.
xoxodede
Superstar
Yeah, you definitely feel a connection and you gain even more respect for your family/ancestors when you visit those places.
I told my mom when I first started visiting more - I just wanted to get out the car and run in the fields. It smells so good there -- fresh air and flowers.
But at the same time -- running in the fields next to plantations is not the look. Snakes everywhere.
Also, you may want to check out the cemeteries when you go back again -- the cemeteries are often behind the church or next to the plantations and they are a mess. Covered with weeds -- and absolutely no care.
I went to Alabama last summer and helped my family clean up our family cemetery.