southern.girl
Superstar
It’s a slippery slope if we allow everyone to claim DOS. I’ve already stated that mixture from slave rape is much different than diminishing your blackness by choice. It’s not about your color, it’s about your lineage.
ADOS Gang, What Are The Qualifications for ADOS Benefits?
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It’s a slippery slope if we allow everyone to claim DOS. I’ve already stated that mixture from slave rape is much different than diminishing your blackness by choice. It’s not about your color, it’s about your lineage.
this is why im not a big fan of harsh rules on reparations.
Because what this will lead to is a slippery slope of eliminating alot of people leading to so very few getting anything
I get @LovelyOne and @xoxodede views. But idk theres drawbacks to both systems
simple system can involve others who arent AA or dont even have AA allow them to eat
but the flip side is that: a Harsher system = will allow few to as well.
just gonna have to find a solution down the road as the movement progresses I guess
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plus I feel like division will be rampant among us as ADOS.
many of us will fight and be in a frantic to see who will qualify or not.
which when we are dealing with others we should not be divided. But I feel like a strict system will exploit that, causing a lot of infighting
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Exactly. If they’ll try to block you from voting they’ll definitely block you from reparations. You always gotta look at how rules can be used against you when dealing with white supremacy.
Shoog Shatmi
All Star
A significant amount of admixture in AAs happened after slavery though (for example, Muhammad Ali's 2nd or 3rd great grandfather was an Irish immigrant who married a freed slave), and even during slavery much of that admixture came via relations with FPOC.
And what do you mean by "lineage", in contrast to color (which is a crude proxy for ancestry)?
DrBanneker
Space is the Place
I'm older and while I am proud AA I am ambivalent about this whole ADOS wave (I grew up in 80s and 90s on the tail end of Pan-Africanism from the 60s/70s). On one hand, I am all about celebrating our culture but on the other hand, I see this as some possible bigotry BS if it gets out of control.
Reading these threads, I became intrigued about a question: my kids are Black, not mixed, I am ADOS with roots in GA and AL but my wife is West Indian (also a descendant of slaves). Both of us are dark brown. In this whole ADOS wave are you going to actually try to front that my kids aren't "real" ADOS (we celebrate Juneteenth even)? If so this is going to seriously sour my idea of the movement as it would just be a mirror image of the old light skin Black purity test crap. Not even sure if people have thought this far.
Reading these threads, I became intrigued about a question: my kids are Black, not mixed, I am ADOS with roots in GA and AL but my wife is West Indian (also a descendant of slaves). Both of us are dark brown. In this whole ADOS wave are you going to actually try to front that my kids aren't "real" ADOS (we celebrate Juneteenth even)? If so this is going to seriously sour my idea of the movement as it would just be a mirror image of the old light skin Black purity test crap. Not even sure if people have thought this far.
theres already a thread relating to this breh
ADOS Gang, What Are The Qualifications for ADOS Benefits?
might wanna get @Barnett114 to move this thread and merge this into this one^^^
ADOS Gang, What Are The Qualifications for ADOS Benefits?
might wanna get @Barnett114 to move this thread and merge this into this one^^^
- ADOS is at it's core a JUSTICE CLAIM for people who's lineage begins and is most affect by the AMERICAN institution of SLAVERY
- Just like your wife can proudly claim WEST INDIAN (or Nigerian, Sudanese, etc.) while not in that place, don't tell ADOS they can't claim a place their family has been for up to 400 years
- MOST PEOPLE throwing up ADOS are late comers and follow Tariq's b*stardization of the term--started by Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore in it's true and current form
- ANYONE using this for xenophobia are misinformed or a troll
- We do demand BLACK IMMIGRANTS, BROWN IMMIGRANTS, etc., start being more respectful of the ADOS people who fought from 1619 to today--ie, stop brining up a handful of black people with domestic and foreign lineage to make a point
- Pan Africanism had it's time, but, it's largely symbolic--ex, the medical field is dominated by Jamacian and Nigerian Americans, I don't see them fighting for ADOS representation
- It time to be honest about the fact the media is filled with people taking the place of ADOS (Madame Nior/The Root/Issa Rae/most Shae Butter Twitter) or outright making us look bad (Joy Reid saying we're bots/Ghanian = WSHH/Jamaician)
- Every immigrant that comes here isn't Foot to Mouth and a dollar in their pocket. Roxannae Gay, Issa Rae, Kamala Harris, ALL COME FROM UPPER CLASS IMMIGRANTS taking spots from ADOS Americans, representing us, in the media.
I don't want to see immigrants go away, but, a Jamacian/Indian presidential candidate is basically saying that ADOS Americans don't need shyt that white people don't need and that's complete ahistorical and ignorant of the fact we are at the BOTTOM trying to get up.
xoxodede
Superstar
Incorrect.
His Great Grandfather immigrated to the U.S. a few years before the Civil war -- and he was born in 1856 -- and the AA woman he married was born in 1868.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/177053595/mariah-grady
Which means he had enslaved ancestors. She was not a FPOC - she wasn't even born in slavery -- her father was. Her mother is unknown -- which probably means she was enslaved as well -- since there is no record.
This info below is incorrect. - well the dates and other info...
Ali’s great-grandfather Abe Grady was born and raised in Ennis before he emigrated to America in 1860, where he married an African-American woman. Ali’s mother, Odessa Lee Grady, was his granddaughter. Abe Grady’s father, John, rented a house and garden in Ennis for 15 shillings a year in 1855.
Ali's maternal Granddad was born in 1886: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/103787317/john-louis-grady
Also, there weren't that many FPOC outside of Louisiana, SC, and free states -- in 1860 - it was less than 500K free people of color/and free blacks -- and 4 Million enslaved Black folks. So, it wasn't that much mixing with free blacks. Because the vast majority were enslaved.
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DrBanneker
Space is the Place
Thanks, didn't realize this.
dj-method-x
Superstar
edit: nvm
Citi Trends
aka milobased
Your kids are AA and West Indian. His is this a difficult concept
Shoog Shatmi
All Star
Thanks for the correction about his great grandmother being a freed slave. My bad. However, I never said or implied that she was FPOC. My point was that it was an example of mixture that happened after slavery, and an example of "diminishing blackness by choice," as LovelyOne said, that could probably be found in many AA genealogies.
Also, FPOC were over 10% of the total "black" population in 1860.
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They also had a lot more European ancestry than slaves, on average. If we assume that they contributed roughly 10% of the ancestry of AAs today (which may or may not be correct, but is probably not way off), then IMO it's likely they contributed a large chunk of the ~20% or so of European ancestry in AAs today.