Those comments are what allies sound like
Low End Derrick
Veteran
tell em, queen
all u #ados haters are just mad that ann coulter isn't an ally for your bullshyt movements.
GoAggieGo.
getting blitzed.
She’s a republican, and Republicans are generally against reparations. I’m confused on why one would be upset?
Low End Derrick
Veteran
trust me non #ados haters are out there and making it known they hate #ados
xoxodede
Superstar
He knows what he needs to do. And we haven't seen it. A proposal with no push, push or care isn't enough anymore.
The Fade
I don’t argue with niqqas on the Internet anymore
stop engaging certain individuals thinking you can educate them
You are wasting words let them be obtuse, they know what they are doing
The last word doesn’t matter, keep your energy constructive
You are wasting words let them be obtuse, they know what they are doing
The last word doesn’t matter, keep your energy constructive
ogc163
Superstar
The article was as neutral and objective as possible. The right wing front talking point was undermined, and if there was something there a reporter working for the largest news organization probably would have found it.
This tweet articulated the intra class aspect of #ADOS. I've pointed out before classism plays some part in the reaction to #ADOS on the coli.
#ADOS is not a movement whose identity is etched in the white collar Black "middle class" nor the college educated Black class. It's identity is primarily fostered in the Black poor and poor working class. This doesn't have much precedent if any and probably makes people uncomfortable. When I've shared Tonetalks videos with some of my friends who are white collar, they complain about the aesthetics and video quality instead of focusing on the substance of his message. I'm fairly confident that Tone and Yvette not having an elite pedigree and looking the way they do plays some part in how many are reacting to them. I'm not sure what the end result is, but I think #ADOS questioning some assumptions regarding race based policy is a net positive.
This tweet articulated the intra class aspect of #ADOS. I've pointed out before classism plays some part in the reaction to #ADOS on the coli.
#ADOS is not a movement whose identity is etched in the white collar Black "middle class" nor the college educated Black class. It's identity is primarily fostered in the Black poor and poor working class. This doesn't have much precedent if any and probably makes people uncomfortable. When I've shared Tonetalks videos with some of my friends who are white collar, they complain about the aesthetics and video quality instead of focusing on the substance of his message. I'm fairly confident that Tone and Yvette not having an elite pedigree and looking the way they do plays some part in how many are reacting to them. I'm not sure what the end result is, but I think #ADOS questioning some assumptions regarding race based policy is a net positive.
xoxodede
Superstar
Thanks for being kind today. I am cautious to reply to you due to your name-calling (bytches and such) in the past. I hope that is in the past - and we can be respect and kind to each other.
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But, in terms of AA and diversity quotas for education, jobs, business loans, grants, etc.
Also, those who speak for Black Americans - well many who are in the media, politics, etc -- who speak for and represent Black Americans -- most of the time are not ADOS -- and are not connected nor informed on our issues.
Many feel they are/can because they are subject to racism and discrimination when they arrive or their parents arrived in the U.S. -- but it's not the same as being ADOS -- and they don't have the issues and ish connected to them that most ADOS do.
So, no longer can someone who is not ADOS go on and speak for us - and say what we think, don't think, don't need, etc -- without being held accountable. Same for ADOS who do so - they will be able to be help accountable as well - IMO.
For political movements-- for instance, everyone always uses the history of ADOS in this country to co-opt, compare and use as blueprint. Another example is the CBC, the majority of the CBC are not Black American/ADOS -- and they have dual loyalties -- and do not place Black America and our issues first. This will help showcase what orgs are really for and by ADOS. And if they are truly trying to help ADOS communities and people. If not, fine -- but they need to state that upfront.
In terms of reparations, ADOS will start the process of repair in our communities and families. It can only help excel and help the overall ADOS population and future.
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xoxodede
Superstar
Nope - not to read -- you should see the blue box and it should open on the sidebar.
You can sign up for the the trial and be able to make comments if you are not at NYT sub.
xoxodede
Superstar
Honestly, I never saw an issue with this. It''s just a shaming tactic used to discredit what everyone is doing.
Immigration (legal and illegal) hurts Black Americans - something needs to be done. Point, blank, period.
If the Dems and everyone else wants Black America to stop bytching about it -- then they need to do something about it. It's that's easy.
To blame Black Americans for being self-interested and worried -- and on top of that actually seeing what it's doing to many of our communities and opps -- is gaslighting and wrong.
i'd like to be more objective about reparations since they are well deserved. very skeptical on how republicans can be convinced to support it since they've all said no. right now they hold the keys.
open to enlightenment on the approach.
open to enlightenment on the approach.
xoxodede
Superstar
It's Black Immigrant allies all up and through those comments though.
And even though I love this sista's comment -- this is why classification is needed. She states she's an First generation AA -- there is no such thing.
Plumpdn
Washington DC1h ago
I am a first generationAfrican American and I think that African Americans are completely within their rights to differentiate themselves. In my Ivy League undergraduate class, I could count the number of African Americans who were not immigrants (or the children of immigrants) almost on one hand. They were welcoming and we were all black, but I always said that we immigrants should not be counted among the diversity numbers to show exactly how excluded African Americans are from the American “dream”. Nor should we have been eligible for scholarships for African Americans. That said, mind the company you keep.
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What people are not getting is - we know Trump doesn't support reparations -- we don't expect him too -- nor are we voting for Trump. We will continue the initiatives of ADOS whether he is re-elected or not. If a Dem is elected next year ADOS movement does not go away.
lzolatrov
Mass1h ago
Just thinking that the first African American president of the United States happened to be a descended from a man born in Kenya. I agree wholeheartedly that people who are descended from slaves here in the USA are owed reparations but this organization seems like a bait and switch because President Trump will never come out and back reparations so how could withholding your vote from the Democrats help? And to make that point, next time Trump is taking questions from the press on the White House lawn while his chopper is waiting, someone should ask him does he support ADOS and does he therefore support reparations. I think it would be enlightening. And keep asking the question, to make sure everyone gets to hear his answer.
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Curious One
NYC1h ago
I think it should be changed from ADOS to ADOAS (American Descendants of American Slavery). Further, this issue discusses the very real ramifications and impact on the lives and livelihood of the people that are descendants of American slavery. The systemic issues that American descendants of American slavery had and still have to endure throughout the generations following American slavery. Issues like denied housing, denied education, denied financial loans, denied medical care, etc. Why do you think there are very few cases of generational wealth among black American descendants of slavery? It's certainly not because we didn't work just as hard or long as our fellow white Americans. It's certainly not because we are not just as innovative and inventive. Most non-black people (liberals included) incorrectly like to think that when slavery ended, we all (black Americans) were immediately evenly yoked to his fellow white American. There are issues stemming from slavery that almost every American descendant of American slavery still deals with to this very day.
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Mexican-American
New York City4h ago
Slavery existed in the Caribbean as well as in the US. An interactive map in the NYT a couple of years ago revealed that 96% of enslaved Africans were sent to the Caribbean and Brazil, and just 4% to the U.S. That said, Caribbean countries are majority black and have not had a history of Jim Crow, and the US is the majority non-black and has had a history of Jim Crow and other legal obstacles to equality. To put it bluntly: descendants of enslaved Americans have it worse than recent immigrants. I can't comment about the various possibly nefarious forces that might want to get in on the ADOS movement, but I think that ADOS is a useful distinction. To the extent that diversity efforts in academia, business and government are interested in justice, as opposed to just creating a multi-hued community, we should focus on people who for generations were locked out of equality and social progress. I wish the best to recent immigrants and their children (I'm one of them), but their struggles are minimal compared with those borne by people whose ancestors were enslaved.
And even though I love this sista's comment -- this is why classification is needed. She states she's an First generation AA -- there is no such thing.
Plumpdn
Washington DC1h ago
I am a first generationAfrican American and I think that African Americans are completely within their rights to differentiate themselves. In my Ivy League undergraduate class, I could count the number of African Americans who were not immigrants (or the children of immigrants) almost on one hand. They were welcoming and we were all black, but I always said that we immigrants should not be counted among the diversity numbers to show exactly how excluded African Americans are from the American “dream”. Nor should we have been eligible for scholarships for African Americans. That said, mind the company you keep.
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What people are not getting is - we know Trump doesn't support reparations -- we don't expect him too -- nor are we voting for Trump. We will continue the initiatives of ADOS whether he is re-elected or not. If a Dem is elected next year ADOS movement does not go away.
lzolatrov
Mass1h ago
Just thinking that the first African American president of the United States happened to be a descended from a man born in Kenya. I agree wholeheartedly that people who are descended from slaves here in the USA are owed reparations but this organization seems like a bait and switch because President Trump will never come out and back reparations so how could withholding your vote from the Democrats help? And to make that point, next time Trump is taking questions from the press on the White House lawn while his chopper is waiting, someone should ask him does he support ADOS and does he therefore support reparations. I think it would be enlightening. And keep asking the question, to make sure everyone gets to hear his answer.
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Curious One
NYC1h ago
I think it should be changed from ADOS to ADOAS (American Descendants of American Slavery). Further, this issue discusses the very real ramifications and impact on the lives and livelihood of the people that are descendants of American slavery. The systemic issues that American descendants of American slavery had and still have to endure throughout the generations following American slavery. Issues like denied housing, denied education, denied financial loans, denied medical care, etc. Why do you think there are very few cases of generational wealth among black American descendants of slavery? It's certainly not because we didn't work just as hard or long as our fellow white Americans. It's certainly not because we are not just as innovative and inventive. Most non-black people (liberals included) incorrectly like to think that when slavery ended, we all (black Americans) were immediately evenly yoked to his fellow white American. There are issues stemming from slavery that almost every American descendant of American slavery still deals with to this very day.
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Mexican-American
New York City4h ago
Slavery existed in the Caribbean as well as in the US. An interactive map in the NYT a couple of years ago revealed that 96% of enslaved Africans were sent to the Caribbean and Brazil, and just 4% to the U.S. That said, Caribbean countries are majority black and have not had a history of Jim Crow, and the US is the majority non-black and has had a history of Jim Crow and other legal obstacles to equality. To put it bluntly: descendants of enslaved Americans have it worse than recent immigrants. I can't comment about the various possibly nefarious forces that might want to get in on the ADOS movement, but I think that ADOS is a useful distinction. To the extent that diversity efforts in academia, business and government are interested in justice, as opposed to just creating a multi-hued community, we should focus on people who for generations were locked out of equality and social progress. I wish the best to recent immigrants and their children (I'm one of them), but their struggles are minimal compared with those borne by people whose ancestors were enslaved.