xoxodede
Superstar
She got the tenants of ADOS correct though. I give her that. It was one of the best articles I have read on ADOS. It lays out everything. Whether folks like it - or agree or not.
and...
Hilarious... we know why though... Will someone EVER showcase the vitriol and anti-Black American xenophobia thrown at ADOS -- Black Americans in general by "immigrants" of all races and ethnicities? Or nah?
and this is the most important to me:
and...
Hilarious... we know why though... Will someone EVER showcase the vitriol and anti-Black American xenophobia thrown at ADOS -- Black Americans in general by "immigrants" of all races and ethnicities? Or nah?
and this is the most important to me:
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ADOS is funded by Conservative Pro Trump groups to cause confusion and hostility within the community, just before the elections
You notice they did that with Black Lives Matter in 2015/2016..., and we have never heard from BLM again since the election
You notice they did that with Black Lives Matter in 2015/2016..., and we have never heard from BLM again since the election
xoxodede
Superstar
ADOS is funded by Conservative Pro Trump groups to cause confusion and hostility within the community, just before the elections
You notice they did that with Black Lives Matter in 2015/2016..., and we have never heard from BLM again since the election
Hilarious. What they funding? Tone's LA hats? Yvette's chalk for her chalkboard on her show?
Y'all sound stupid.
These are real black people who are REALLY apart of the ADOS Black communities.
BLM's is not a ADOS org - it wasn't founded by ADOS people -- that's how they gained clout and helped market themselves and grow -- but it's focus is not on ADOS people. It's really an #alllivesmatter if we being truthful.
From their website: About - Black Lives Matter
We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.
So you got information the New York Times reporter doesn't?
You just gonna ignore her on that front?
Are you joking? So you're telling me the conservative think thank thats funding them isn't because of that reason? And then say BLM isn't a "black org"? What's wrong with you dudes
Red Shield
Global Domination
Of course their scared. An ethnic group that is the mudsill of american society is awakening to the fact that it is an ethnic group...
which leads to other truths being realized.. and tools that weren't used before..start being used.
They can try to stop it... but this will not be stopped
xoxodede
Superstar
Great comments from the NYT's:
There is almost nothing herein that clarifies why "conservatives" support any part of the DOAS agenda. What it does do is add a few quotes without clarification or context. Moreover, it does not at all explain why conservatives would support a movement that explicitly calls for reparations to African-American descendants of slaves (or more broadly?), something that conservatives have broadly criticized (eg take mcconnell's attitude). So the premise of the article (via its title) seems irrelevant to the content, which is curious. If you are going to hint that DOAS is a dubious divide and conquer wedge agent of mysterious forces, be they Russian or trumpican (is there really a difference?), then one is obligated to support such conjectures with at least some plausible evidence, say identities of funders or noted web promoters. I'm not sure a worn MAGA hat photo qualifies as such without some additional explanation, which was not provided, but some cited essays or quotes would have been useful. At present, this resembles the zeitgeist so convincingly captured in Fritz Lang's Dr. Mabuse films from the 1920s wherein an atmosphere of generalized paranoia reigns within a set of conspiratorial minded and trapped characters who are never sure to which side they should belong since identities and true motives are so easily masked. This is surely now the case throughout the social media-political activist universe, or at least should be given how it works. now work.
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Ron
L.1m ago
I’m regard to the many comments mentioning an “emergence” or “creation” of this distinction between ADOS and Black Immigrants—please remember that Black Americans in no way “created” this difference. It is a product of the largest forced migration in history. I think Black Immigrants enrich our experiences as Black Americans. Our collective interests, however, do not always align. That is natural. This article also makes me think of an interesting anecdote in Chimamanda Adichies’ novel “Americanah” where she muses on this distinction and highlights that in the 1960s, when ADOS were fighting for basic civil rights and dignity, many Black Africans were campaigning for seats in their respective national parliaments.
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A F
Connecticut1m ago
Affirmative Action should exist to benefit African Americans whose families and communities were deeply disrupted by the Atlantic slave trade. While I absolutely welcome African immigrants to America, and I respect and honor the contributions of all immigrants to our society, the purpose of Affirmative Action should be to repair the deep multigenerational damage done to those whose ancestors suffered from the injustices of slavery, Jim Crow, and urban redlining. Yes, it is true that black slaves and their descendants are not the only people who have suffered injustice in this country. It is also true that African Immigrants and their children can suffer from stereotyping as well, as do many other immigrants. But as bad as the injustice of being stereotyped and singled out for indignities is, it is not the same in kind and gravity as the injustices suffered by the descendants of slaves, which have been systemic, institutionalized at times by federal, state, and local governments, and compounded over generations.
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Tanmay
Boston1h ago
Times Pick
I consider myself to be toward the left end of the political spectrum, and I think that it's healthy for Black Americans to assert their own distinct identity. It is undoubtedly true that elite colleges tend to disproportionately admit well-off students from Africa at the expense of disadvantaged African-Americans, and we can't begin to discuss such issues unless people are allowed to identify and declare their own identities.
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Matthew
Bethesda, MD11m ago
@William Wallace This ignores how different the past two centuries of African American history has been from that of post-1960s immigrants from African or the Caribbean. To begin with, recent African immigrants were never enslaved by non-Africans. The enslavement of blacks in the Caribbean ended nearly two generations before it ended in the U.S. and it ended there without the still lingering racially-inflamed bitterness of the American civil war. Perhaps the most important difference is that African and Caribbean countries always had non-white majorities, some of whom were intent upon denying African Americans (and certain other non-whites) full economic, social, and political benefits of citizenship. Children of African immigrants also do not have living grandparents who experienced officially sanction segregation and discrimination and much worse in their native land. To claim that they grew up "as American as any other black child" completely ignores the oppressive social climate in which native born African Americans were created. After nearly five hundred years, North America is African Americans' only homeland.
@William Wallace And if I may add to TC’s comment... African immigrants migrate to America on their own accord. African Americans are here due to forced migration. Our lineage, culture and protective laws born of our unique history in the US makes us a distinct ethnic group. Saying so is not xenophobic or ethnocentric. We understand that Africans may experience racism on one level or another but our historical background make the comparisons between Africans and African Americans an unequal equivalent.
Some of our Black Immigrants allies comes through! #haitilove
TC
Newburgh, NY1h ago
@William Wallace As a Haitian-American I understand the sentiment that you expressed in your post. If I am pulled over by a racist cop my experience may be similar to an ADOS. But what you fail to realize is that as a Black person whose family were immigrants my family does not have a specific experience that is distinct to ADOS. The African family that you mentioned does not have a legacy where their ancestors dealt with American Slavery, Convict Leasing, Jim Crow, Red Lining, Crack Cocaine, Mass Incarceration, etc. Those experiences are specific to ADOS, not Haitians, Jamaicans, Nigerians, etc. ADOS were promised reparations at one point after slavery and the US Government reneged on their promise to them. After the US Government caused irreparable harm on ADOS it's only right that ADOS is owed a debt for what they suffered and continue to suffer from. A debt is owed to ADOS and that debt must be paid to them. This is what we would call justice in America.
There is almost nothing herein that clarifies why "conservatives" support any part of the DOAS agenda. What it does do is add a few quotes without clarification or context. Moreover, it does not at all explain why conservatives would support a movement that explicitly calls for reparations to African-American descendants of slaves (or more broadly?), something that conservatives have broadly criticized (eg take mcconnell's attitude). So the premise of the article (via its title) seems irrelevant to the content, which is curious. If you are going to hint that DOAS is a dubious divide and conquer wedge agent of mysterious forces, be they Russian or trumpican (is there really a difference?), then one is obligated to support such conjectures with at least some plausible evidence, say identities of funders or noted web promoters. I'm not sure a worn MAGA hat photo qualifies as such without some additional explanation, which was not provided, but some cited essays or quotes would have been useful. At present, this resembles the zeitgeist so convincingly captured in Fritz Lang's Dr. Mabuse films from the 1920s wherein an atmosphere of generalized paranoia reigns within a set of conspiratorial minded and trapped characters who are never sure to which side they should belong since identities and true motives are so easily masked. This is surely now the case throughout the social media-political activist universe, or at least should be given how it works. now work.
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Ron
L.1m ago
I’m regard to the many comments mentioning an “emergence” or “creation” of this distinction between ADOS and Black Immigrants—please remember that Black Americans in no way “created” this difference. It is a product of the largest forced migration in history. I think Black Immigrants enrich our experiences as Black Americans. Our collective interests, however, do not always align. That is natural. This article also makes me think of an interesting anecdote in Chimamanda Adichies’ novel “Americanah” where she muses on this distinction and highlights that in the 1960s, when ADOS were fighting for basic civil rights and dignity, many Black Africans were campaigning for seats in their respective national parliaments.
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A F
Connecticut1m ago
Affirmative Action should exist to benefit African Americans whose families and communities were deeply disrupted by the Atlantic slave trade. While I absolutely welcome African immigrants to America, and I respect and honor the contributions of all immigrants to our society, the purpose of Affirmative Action should be to repair the deep multigenerational damage done to those whose ancestors suffered from the injustices of slavery, Jim Crow, and urban redlining. Yes, it is true that black slaves and their descendants are not the only people who have suffered injustice in this country. It is also true that African Immigrants and their children can suffer from stereotyping as well, as do many other immigrants. But as bad as the injustice of being stereotyped and singled out for indignities is, it is not the same in kind and gravity as the injustices suffered by the descendants of slaves, which have been systemic, institutionalized at times by federal, state, and local governments, and compounded over generations.
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Tanmay
Boston1h ago
Times Pick
I consider myself to be toward the left end of the political spectrum, and I think that it's healthy for Black Americans to assert their own distinct identity. It is undoubtedly true that elite colleges tend to disproportionately admit well-off students from Africa at the expense of disadvantaged African-Americans, and we can't begin to discuss such issues unless people are allowed to identify and declare their own identities.
--
Matthew
Bethesda, MD11m ago
@William Wallace This ignores how different the past two centuries of African American history has been from that of post-1960s immigrants from African or the Caribbean. To begin with, recent African immigrants were never enslaved by non-Africans. The enslavement of blacks in the Caribbean ended nearly two generations before it ended in the U.S. and it ended there without the still lingering racially-inflamed bitterness of the American civil war. Perhaps the most important difference is that African and Caribbean countries always had non-white majorities, some of whom were intent upon denying African Americans (and certain other non-whites) full economic, social, and political benefits of citizenship. Children of African immigrants also do not have living grandparents who experienced officially sanction segregation and discrimination and much worse in their native land. To claim that they grew up "as American as any other black child" completely ignores the oppressive social climate in which native born African Americans were created. After nearly five hundred years, North America is African Americans' only homeland.
@William Wallace And if I may add to TC’s comment... African immigrants migrate to America on their own accord. African Americans are here due to forced migration. Our lineage, culture and protective laws born of our unique history in the US makes us a distinct ethnic group. Saying so is not xenophobic or ethnocentric. We understand that Africans may experience racism on one level or another but our historical background make the comparisons between Africans and African Americans an unequal equivalent.
Some of our Black Immigrants allies comes through! #haitilove
TC
Newburgh, NY1h ago
@William Wallace As a Haitian-American I understand the sentiment that you expressed in your post. If I am pulled over by a racist cop my experience may be similar to an ADOS. But what you fail to realize is that as a Black person whose family were immigrants my family does not have a specific experience that is distinct to ADOS. The African family that you mentioned does not have a legacy where their ancestors dealt with American Slavery, Convict Leasing, Jim Crow, Red Lining, Crack Cocaine, Mass Incarceration, etc. Those experiences are specific to ADOS, not Haitians, Jamaicans, Nigerians, etc. ADOS were promised reparations at one point after slavery and the US Government reneged on their promise to them. After the US Government caused irreparable harm on ADOS it's only right that ADOS is owed a debt for what they suffered and continue to suffer from. A debt is owed to ADOS and that debt must be paid to them. This is what we would call justice in America.
xoxodede
Superstar
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Frankster
Paris1h ago
As a comfortable white I was glad to hear of increased numbers of blacks going to important universities in the US and am stunned to find that 41 percent of that number are from recent immigrants to the US. Slavery is the ugly stain on our history and we still have not addressed it.
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Dean M.
Sacramento1h ago
Congratulations Black American. You're finally becoming politically "The flavor of the Day". My advice. Listen to know one. You have the right to figure out and formulate, join, whatever group whether it's political, social, or professional. That Right is Yours by Law. A lot of people want to forget that.
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Snowball
Manor Farm1h ago
They're right. I can go with affirmative action for verified ADOS (say, 50% traceable), not for the children of immigrants from Nigeria, Ghana, Mexico, El Salvador, or Vietnam. And I am generally *against* affirmative action.
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Alex
Albuquerque, NM1h ago
In my experience in Medicine, overwhelmingly the people that one would be considered "black" that are Doctors are in fact directly from Africa. They are not the descendants of African American slaves, but rather new immigrants. For those that think parsing this issue is divisive, these are the types of distinctions that need to be made in order to enact effective social betterment programs. Giving the benefits of Affirmative Action policies to the children of a wealthy Nigerian American Cardiologist husband and General Surgeon wife (saw it happen) is much different than applying these policies to the poor descendants of slaves from Mississippi. Far left social justice warriors have enacted a narrative around their movement where they refuse to look at the details of their arguments. There are large differences between African immigrants and African Americans as a whole in educational level, social behaviors, income level, etc. And on this line of argument, there are very different reasons as to why. Refusing to acknowledge this is sticking your head in the sand.
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Rita Lupino
New Mexicojust now
There is no acknowledgement of class difference in your comment: in fact wealth and education and upward mobility are starkly different depending on whether a person is descended from slaves, or not. To say, for instance, that a middle class child of educated, property owning Nigerian immigrants has the same opportunities to flourish in this country as a fatherless child of a home health aide in a public housing in Compton, a child with no educated relatives, a child who attends schools where 90 percent of his classmates are on the free lunch program and less than half, sometimes less than fifteen percent, meet state educational standards, is misleading and false. There is a world of difference between the two kids despite the same racialization of “black.” Being stopped by the police is equal opportunity, which is why, as James Forman Jr points out, it’s a popular issue for black politicians and other elites. Many issues affecting poor black Americans are not “equal opportunity” and more devastating. Like chronic generational unemployment and incarceration.
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Lynn in DC
Here, there, everywhere1h ago
A few corrections or clarifications: ADOS is not an organization with leaders that one can sign up to join. You are an ADOS or you are not. It is a matter of lineage. Further, ADOS issues are separate and distinct from those of black immigrants, most of whom arrived in the US after slavery and Jim Crow ended. Second, no one has objected to Cynthia Erivo's role as Harriet simply because she is Nigerian. The objection is due to the racial slurs and harsh negative comments she has made about black Americans on social media. If her name didn't appear atop her tweets and Instagram posts, one could easily mistake them for commentary from a white nationalist account. That is the reason for the backlash. On the political side, it is time black Americans made a critical cost/benefit analysis of our collective voting record. We have supported the Democrats for years in numbers that no other group has equaled and what did we get for it in the past 50 years? We are now aggressively told not to ask questions of any candidates, not to expect anything, just shut up and vote. For what though? If I have to vote for a party that won't do anything for me, what is the difference between Republicans and Democrats? The Democrats haven't even spoken out on Comcast's attempt to torpedo the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which will be argued before the Supreme Court next week.
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ADOS love back to Haiti support:
sojourner
freedom's highwayjust now
@TC I'm a black American descended from people enslaved in Mississippi, Alabama and elsewhere in the south. I've also spent a lot of time in Haiti for professional reasons. I appreciate the nuance of your understanding. And certainly, a debt is owed to the Haitian people for the international conspiracy waged upon the state after waging the war of independence against France.
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Frankster
Paris1h ago
As a comfortable white I was glad to hear of increased numbers of blacks going to important universities in the US and am stunned to find that 41 percent of that number are from recent immigrants to the US. Slavery is the ugly stain on our history and we still have not addressed it.
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Dean M.
Sacramento1h ago
Congratulations Black American. You're finally becoming politically "The flavor of the Day". My advice. Listen to know one. You have the right to figure out and formulate, join, whatever group whether it's political, social, or professional. That Right is Yours by Law. A lot of people want to forget that.
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Snowball
Manor Farm1h ago
They're right. I can go with affirmative action for verified ADOS (say, 50% traceable), not for the children of immigrants from Nigeria, Ghana, Mexico, El Salvador, or Vietnam. And I am generally *against* affirmative action.
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Alex
Albuquerque, NM1h ago
In my experience in Medicine, overwhelmingly the people that one would be considered "black" that are Doctors are in fact directly from Africa. They are not the descendants of African American slaves, but rather new immigrants. For those that think parsing this issue is divisive, these are the types of distinctions that need to be made in order to enact effective social betterment programs. Giving the benefits of Affirmative Action policies to the children of a wealthy Nigerian American Cardiologist husband and General Surgeon wife (saw it happen) is much different than applying these policies to the poor descendants of slaves from Mississippi. Far left social justice warriors have enacted a narrative around their movement where they refuse to look at the details of their arguments. There are large differences between African immigrants and African Americans as a whole in educational level, social behaviors, income level, etc. And on this line of argument, there are very different reasons as to why. Refusing to acknowledge this is sticking your head in the sand.
----
Rita Lupino
New Mexicojust now
There is no acknowledgement of class difference in your comment: in fact wealth and education and upward mobility are starkly different depending on whether a person is descended from slaves, or not. To say, for instance, that a middle class child of educated, property owning Nigerian immigrants has the same opportunities to flourish in this country as a fatherless child of a home health aide in a public housing in Compton, a child with no educated relatives, a child who attends schools where 90 percent of his classmates are on the free lunch program and less than half, sometimes less than fifteen percent, meet state educational standards, is misleading and false. There is a world of difference between the two kids despite the same racialization of “black.” Being stopped by the police is equal opportunity, which is why, as James Forman Jr points out, it’s a popular issue for black politicians and other elites. Many issues affecting poor black Americans are not “equal opportunity” and more devastating. Like chronic generational unemployment and incarceration.
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Lynn in DC
Here, there, everywhere1h ago
A few corrections or clarifications: ADOS is not an organization with leaders that one can sign up to join. You are an ADOS or you are not. It is a matter of lineage. Further, ADOS issues are separate and distinct from those of black immigrants, most of whom arrived in the US after slavery and Jim Crow ended. Second, no one has objected to Cynthia Erivo's role as Harriet simply because she is Nigerian. The objection is due to the racial slurs and harsh negative comments she has made about black Americans on social media. If her name didn't appear atop her tweets and Instagram posts, one could easily mistake them for commentary from a white nationalist account. That is the reason for the backlash. On the political side, it is time black Americans made a critical cost/benefit analysis of our collective voting record. We have supported the Democrats for years in numbers that no other group has equaled and what did we get for it in the past 50 years? We are now aggressively told not to ask questions of any candidates, not to expect anything, just shut up and vote. For what though? If I have to vote for a party that won't do anything for me, what is the difference between Republicans and Democrats? The Democrats haven't even spoken out on Comcast's attempt to torpedo the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which will be argued before the Supreme Court next week.
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ADOS love back to Haiti support:
sojourner
freedom's highwayjust now
@TC I'm a black American descended from people enslaved in Mississippi, Alabama and elsewhere in the south. I've also spent a lot of time in Haiti for professional reasons. I appreciate the nuance of your understanding. And certainly, a debt is owed to the Haitian people for the international conspiracy waged upon the state after waging the war of independence against France.
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Thread is about to be cleaned up.
All the derailing posts will be removed.
Thanks for the report.
All the derailing posts will be removed.
Thanks for the report.
He don’t sound stupid, he is stupid.
Those comments are what allies sound like