ACCORDING TO 17TH CENTURY CAC ARTWORK, INDIANS IN THE AMERICAS LOOKED LIKE THIS??

[Cynic]

BELOW IS A 17TH CENTURY EUROPEAN ARTWORK. NOTICE, ASIA, EUROPE, AFRICA, AND AMERICA ARE CLEARLY DRAWN IN THE FOUR CORNERS WITH THEIR INHABITANTS HOLDING UP THEIR COUNTRY.

WHY DOES THE EMBLEM OF AMERICA FROM 1798 LOOK LIKE THIS



WHY IS THIS OTHER IMAGE OF AN EMBLEM OF AMERICA WITH "GODDESS LADY LIBERTY MORNING GEORGE WASHINGTON'S DEATH WITH INDIAN" LOOK LIKE THIS?

In this book
"Monteith's comprehensive geography,: With map-drawing and relief maps"
from 1872

The question is, Were there a black race of indigenous people walking around the Americas?


I have more images and more questions. Doing a lot of research.

No, there wasn't. If there was those cac diseases wouldn't have wiped out the natives

 

[YouMadd?]

No, there wasn't. If there was those cac diseases wouldn't have wiped out the natives

uhh, what if there were too phenotypes of indian, Asian/white looking and the darker copper colored? Thats what the theory and this thread is hinting at...

 

[Cynic]

uhh, what if there were too phenotypes of indian, Asian/white looking and the darker copper colored? Thats what the theory and this thread is hinting at...

They still got wiped out by cac diseases so regardless of phenotype ... they weren't black

 

[YouMadd?]

They still got wiped out by cac diseases so regardless of phenotype ... they weren't black

I dont know what you are trying to debate with me in here.... maybe start another thread about it, because you aren't adding anything of substance to the thread. Even the folks are are disagreeing in this thread are proving compelling thoughtful responses. Thanks for trying though!

Every continent on the planet has black indigenous people, America is no exception, they were here, I saw it in my own family. Many others do as well. Lots of evidence out there supporting it especially after the census creation in Virginia where they reclassified the darker indians as "black" or "colored". That actually is a fact. Like I said. Im doing my own research, I like to learn. You aren't really teaching me anything.

 

[YouMadd?]

I just feel like all this manipulation of history will somehow be used by whites to further discredit any of it. Once they can discredit one they’ll give reason to question any of it

Yeah thats why folks have to keep pulling information forward individually. I have a family reunion this year and ill be emphasizing documenting my great grandmother (who was creek and dark brown/copper) because thats the only way you can keep pushing this theory.

a White Politicians in North Carolina had to apologize for referring to black American people as aboriginal.

Not ALL blacks descend from Paleo Americans. A lot do though.

 

[Cynic]

I dont know what you are trying to debate with me in here.... maybe start another thread about it, because you aren't adding anything of substance to the thread. Even the folks are are disagreeing in this thread are proving compelling thoughtful responses. Thanks for trying though!

Every continent on the planet has black indigenous people, America is no exception, they were here, I saw it in my own family. Many others do as well. Lots of evidence out there supporting it especially after the census creation in Virginia where they reclassified the darker indians as "black" or "colored". That actually is a fact. Like I said. Im doing my own research, I like to learn. You aren't really teaching me anything.

There's nothing to argue or teach here. I don't have the sense of solipsism you do. You've yet to make
a counterpoint and have resorted to using others talking points to try and deflect.

As blacks we were genetically superior and resistant to white diseases. The native were not
.

You are trying to shoehorn a census and phenotypes because you know you'd lose the genetic argument.

 

[YouMadd?]

There's nothing to argue or teach here. I don't have the sense of solipsism you do. You've yet to make
a counterpoint and have resorted to using others talking points to try and deflect.

As blacks we were genetically superior and resistant to white diseases. The native were not
.

You are trying to shoehorn a census and phenotypes because you know you'd lose the genetic argument.

Lol okay

 

[YouMadd?]

 

[YouMadd?]

They still got wiped out by cac diseases so regardless of phenotype ... they weren't black

So could you explain to me how a Black Moor was being used to scout indigenous American territory for the Portuguese. How was a black moor able to blend in as a “shaman” in indigenous communities?

Estevanico - Wikipedia

They literally used a black moor to transverse the lands of the Americas, because, well, he blended in with the natives.

“Estevan must have been an extremely charismatic and enterprising figure. We know from the Cabeza de Vaca account that he had adopted the persona of a native shaman“

The Mysterious Journey of Friar Marcos de Niza

 

[Pit Bull]

Estevanico - Wikipedia

They literally used a black moor to transverse the lands of the Americas, because, well, he blended in with the natives.

“Estevan must have been an extremely charismatic and enterprising figure. We know from the Cabeza de Vaca account that he had adopted the persona of a native shaman“

The Mysterious Journey of Friar Marcos de Niza

So you are telling me that a black African would scout ahead in uncharted territories acting as a SHAMAN?!

That explains this:

Don't forget about Pedro Alonso Nino

Pedro Alonso Niño - Wikipedia

 

[Pit Bull]

No, there wasn't. If there was those cac diseases wouldn't have wiped out the natives

Well cac diseases did wipe out plenty of black pacific islanders. Africans aren't the only black people.

 

[Cynic]

So could you explain to me how a Black Moor was being used to scout indigenous American territory for the Portuguese. How was a black moor able to blend in as a “shaman” in indigenous communities?

Estevanico - Wikipedia

They literally used a black moor to transverse the lands of the Americas, because, well, he blended in with the natives.

“Estevan must have been an extremely charismatic and enterprising figure. We know from the Cabeza de Vaca account that he had adopted the persona of a native shaman“

The Mysterious Journey of Friar Marcos de Niza

He went there with other Euro-cacs and the Zuni reportedly killed him.

So one scout brought by his european overlords = a black population ?

 

[YouMadd?]

He went there with other Euro-cacs and the Zuni reportedly killed him.

So one scout brought by his european overlords = a black population ?

Lol you're slow....

My point is... Why would they send a black African Moor ahead to scout and interact with the indigenous population because they couldnt? Why, because the Europeans STOOD OUT... The black African moor didn't stand out... You have to be fairly similar in appearance to the population in order to blend in.

So, we are done here. Im not having anymore discourse with someone who cant comprehend simple concepts...

 

[Cynic]

Lol you're slow....

My point is... Why would they send a black African Moor ahead to scout and interact with the indigenous population because they couldnt? Why, because the Europeans STOOD OUT... The black African moor didn't stand out... You have to be fairly similar in appearance to the population in order to blend in.

So, we are done here. Im not having anymore discourse with someone who cant comprehend simple concepts...

Maybe the tribes had prior dealings with white settlers or the cacs didn't want to risk their own asses (speculation) . The why isn't important and it doesn't prove anything.

He blended in so well they killed him ?

A slaughtered imported moor is proof of native blacks resided there ?



This Hotepothisis makes sense to you ?

 

[YouMadd?]

Maybe the tribes had prior dealings with white settlers or the cacs didn't want to risk their own asses (speculation) . The why isn't important and it doesn't prove anything.

He blended in so well they killed him ?

A slaughtered imported moor is proof of native blacks resided there ?



This Hotepothisis makes sense to you ?

"maybe"... Yep.. You aren't sure what you are saying... Nice mj emoji though...

Did you see the year of those visits? There was no "previous experiences with whites" This was uncharted territory they were sending the black moor too.

Doesnt the word "hotep" relate to "Africa" and "Egypt"?, this thread has nothing to do with Africa or Egypt.

This thread's subject matter obviously has you feeling some kind of way. You've been talking in circles, and your attempts to look for an argument are admirable, but ineffective... Thread will continue.