ACCORDING TO 17TH CENTURY CAC ARTWORK, INDIANS IN THE AMERICAS LOOKED LIKE THIS??

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Everythingg said:
Yep. And I rather base my opinion on people who were there,​

But you're NOT basing your opinion on people who were there.


You misidentified them and threw their actual heritage in the bushes......JUST LIKE THE WHITE PEOPLE YOU SAY WE SHOULD NOT TRUST!!!!!!

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But you're NOT basing your opinion

Okay. I rather base my opinion on the depictions from 1500's -1900's that litter this thread, than, well, you.

You misidentified them and threw their actual heritage in the bushes......​

Repeating yourself doesnt make you right. Comparing the appearance of two groups isnt "throwing heritage in the bushes". Keep trying, you're bound to eventually get something right though
 

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Everythingg said:
Okay. I rather base my opinion on the depictions from 1500's -1900's that litter this thread

So, your opinion is based on shoddy, biased, inaccurate and racist depictions of Non-Caucasian indigenous people who 'hid' Black peoples' true heritage for hundreds of years. To prove your argument, the only evidence that you use is depictions from those SAME people which, for some strange reason, in YOUR opinion, DO accurately depict Black people in America.

Do you know what the definition of 'special pleading' is?

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Everythingg said:
The variety of pictures provided to us by a variety of different Europeans all seemingly drawing indigenous people similarly.

NONE of the Europeans whose paintings you used actually saw ANY of the people they painted.

They couldn't even tell who was Black and who wasn't.

Neither can you.
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Ignorance that I've caught Everythingg in on just this thread alone:


#1: The very first painting he posted on the threads was labeled "French and English Negroes" by the PAINTER himself, they were wearing European-style clothing with a White Englishman standing there with IN THE fukkING PICTURE, and Everythingg tried to pass them off as natives.

#2: Said, "If you can explain who those people are and where they came from, then by all means do so," then ignored the explanation with receipts from THE PAINTER WHO PAINTED THE DAMN PICTURE.

#3: The next pictures he posted were Black Caribs, were LABELED AS BLACK CARIBS by the painter himself, when we know the whole history of when Black people joined up with the Caribs in the late 1600s and got the name Black Caribs from their combination.

#5: Said his pictures showed Black people "in a place they shouldnt be" when the paintings were from HUNDREDS OF YEARS AFTER slaves got there.

#6: When it was pointed out that the Black Caribs acknowledge slave ship ancestry, said, "Doesnt matter what people say they know about their own history."

#7: Tried to use a blurry half-assed painting from the 1800s to claim that was proof that Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor in the 1500s, was Black three hundred years earlier even though he was a fukking White dude from the Netherlands with a million white-ass paintings of him from the 1500s out there.

#8: Claimed that his pictures proved that there were Africans in America before White people came, even though the paintings were made by White people and there were White people IN THE fukkING PAINTINGS.

#9: Posted paintings made by a guy who had NEVER been to America, from the same book where the same guy painted a South American three-toed sloth to look like an Asian sloth bear, and then claimed that the accuracy of the paintings could not be questioned.

#10: Said that inaccurate animal drawings were irrelevant to the accuracy of the Native drawings even when the inaccurate animals were from the same book or even in the SAME PICTURE.

#11: Posted a picture of British negotiating with Jamaican Maroons and tried to claim they were actually natives that were there before the White people, when the Jamaican Maroons had fukking GUNS in the picture, then the painter himself had written the exact people group and war they were negotiating in question, an 1780s war fought 150 YEARS after the first slaves escaped and started fighting in Jamaica.

#12: Claimed a painting from 1795 by a painter who had NEVER BEEN to Tierra del Fuego was more accurate than actual photos of the people from 1880. Tried to claim that in the 85 years between 1795 and 1880, their Blackness somehow disappeared.

#13: Posted a mistranslation of a translation of Giovanni da Verranzzano saying that Carolina Indians were Black like Ethiopians, when the actual original translation from a hundred years earlier said, "russet like Saracen", meaning reddish-brown like Arabs. Then tried to claim that "russet" means Black and that it must refer to black Muslims.

#14: Deceptively combined Verranzzano's mistranslated 1524 words about Carolina Indians with paintings made 150 years later by a Dutch dude who had never been to the Americas but was copying paintings from a Dutch trip that observed African slaves working in BRAZIL.

#15: Refused to name and defend the existence of a single pre-European Black tribe in the Americas. He couldn't name ONE tribe that was Black.

#16: In the worst self-ether of the whole thread....Posted a White man in 1874 claiming that California Indians were dark brown approaching black with matted hair, large projecting lips, and broad flat negro-like noses and that they "bear a strong resemblance to negroes", ignoring that we have hundreds of photos of California Indians from all over California in 1874 and even though they are dark brown, have matted hair, big lips, and broad noses, NONE OF THEM LOOK THE LEAST BIT LIKE NEGROES.

Your argument is done.

100% of your argument involves us having to trust your claims that these random White men who compared Native Americans to Negroes could distinguish them.

Since we have PROOF that California Indians were not Negroes in 1874, we have PROOF that some White people can't tell the difference.

And since 99% of the actual paintings, 99% of the actual descriptions, 100% of the actual natives, and 100% of the actual photos say that Native Americans weren't Black....


What are you going to believe?

The 1% of idiot Europeans who thought that all dark-skinned people looked the same?

Or the 99% whose accounts agree completely with all the photos, all the DNA, and the all the Natives themselves?

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The California Indians in general are of a middling or rather of a low stature of a dark brown color approaching to black, matted bushy hair, large projecting lips and broad flat negro-like noses. They bear a strong resemblance to negroes

Hubert Howe Bancroft: THE NATIVE RACES OF THE PACIFIC STATES OF NORTH AMERICA 1874

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You posting the worship smiley not even knowing how badly you killed your own argument.

How you going to claim that California Indians "in general" looked like Negros in 1874 when we have HUNDREDS of photos of them and they don't look like Negroes?

That PROVES that the White people you quoting are ignorant and full of shyt, and can't tell the difference between a Native and a Negro.

How can you defend that ANY of these photos show Negroes? These aren't half-assed paintings by ignorant cacs who had never been to America, these are pictures of the REAL PEOPLE from the EXACT TIME PERIOD as your fukking quote.


Paiute Indians from 1850
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1859 picture of Arapaho women in the Yosemite region
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1860 photo of California Indian girls:
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Pomo basket weavers in the 1860s
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Yosemite Indians in the 1860s
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Shoshone leader from 1870
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Yosemite people around 1870
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Shoshone from 1870
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Maiman, a Mojave in 1871
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Paiutes in 1872
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More Paiute in 1872
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Paiutes in 1873
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Indian soldiers during the Modok war of 1873
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Paiutes from 1874
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Pimos in 1875
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Paiute boys in the 1870s
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Indian woman at a California mission in 1880
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Elderly Shasta women in 1887
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A Mono Indian in 1890
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Elderly Indian women at Mission San Luis Rey in the late 1800s
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"low stature" - check

"dark brown color" - check

"matted bushy hair" - check

"large projecting lips" - well, from a white guy's perspective, check

"broad flat noses" - check


Look like Negroes? Oh HELL NO. :gucci:


Your White man said that California Indians in 1874 IN GENERAL looked like Negroes.


Pictures prove that California Indians from all over did NOT look like Negroes.


They just look that way to a racist White guy who can't tell the difference. :snoop:

And you still :cape: for the descriptions of random white racists who didn't know what the fukk they were talking about. :mindblown:
 

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This shows the logical bullshyt I'm dealing with.

One person claims the pictures are too close to the real thing therefore they don't help my argument

The other guy says they're basically Dr. Seuss pictures therefore they don't help my argument.

:heh:


Here are the pictures being claimed to support the argument

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Notice that the animals in those pictures are JUST as bad as the ones in the pictures I posted...but we're supposed to believe that even though they got the animal proportions and facial features all wrong, that they got the people facial features perfect. And not only that, but that they knew which ones were Native Americans and which ones were Africans.

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This is "artwork"... Romanticized depictions... But you can't ignore the two different shades of indians... The first one is is from a dutch novel...
 

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Your argument is done.

Sure thing bud. Those mongloids are the indigenous people because you say. The hundreds of pictures by different Europeans spanning different centuries depicting the natives as black? They're not legitimate. Why? Oh because "animals" and "bad drawings"

:mjlol:

You're not someone to be taken seriously once you used those arguments. Then you doubled down on your dummy arguments by saying the Egyptians were "North Africans/Arabs" as if they werent similar to the Kushytes (blacks) and Ethiopians (blacks). And now, Europe wasnt ruled over by blacks lol. Theres no point of having real discussions with people that just believe narratives and make excuses when their narratives dont fit anymore. So yea, Charles V, no matter the white washed photos, was drawn with color when it comes to the Incas:

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But I know, the cac narrative of history is what you go by. So Egypt wasnt "black. Europe wasnt ruled over by blacks. Israel wasnt black. No indigenous black native Americans. And cacs planted every/most blacks in both South and North America. But heres some more pics to prove you wrong, but I know "they cant draw" or "luk at duh tree branch!!?!?"
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But these depictions are wrong too. Or they're of Africans :mjlol: Which is cac false narrative history move 101. They're African if they're in a place they shouldnt be...
 
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How you going to claim that California Indians "in general" looked like Negros in 1874

Maybe you got it confused. Im not Hubert Howe, Verrazano, or Agostino Brunias. Im not a cac either. So these pictures or what these guys said themselves have nothing to do with me. I just accept them as proof as to what the indigenous people looked like around and before these times. I dont take you posting asian/mongloid indians as proof of anything just as I wouldnt accept you posting an arab today or over the last 100 years as proof as to what the ancient Egyptians looked like.

You'd be more right if you said that a racist couldnt tell the difference between black people. Say like a Sudanese vs. a west african. That makes sense. Or an Afghan and Pakistani. Again, that makes sense. What you're essentially saying is that they could see arabs and blacks next to each other, and not tell the difference because of racism. That is a laughable position that fits right in line with your other laughable positions such as "look at duh animulz!!?!" Your position is that no one knew what they were talking about till natives became asian/mongloids with long straight hair. Before then, every depiction was wrong, a guess, or Africans. Which is why your point isnt to be taken serious. You're just a detractor here to defend the slave narrative and put "negroes in their place". Im not buying it, and no one intelligent is anymore. We ruled in America, Africa, Asia, and Europe. And by "we" I mean dark skinned individuals who in modern times have been pushed to the back and told that they are and only are "African". Nothing you say can take away from that FACT.

 

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Maybe you got it confused. Im not Hubert Howe, Verrazano, or Agostino Brunias. Im not a cac either. So these pictures or what these guys said themselves have nothing to do with me. I just accept them as proof as to what the indigenous people looked like around and before these times.

How can you take Hubert Howe's words as "proof" when he said that pretty much all California Indians looked like Negroes in 1874, when we have HUNDREDS of pictures of California Indians from around 1874 and even earlier and NONE of them look like Negroes?

And Brunias never those were paintings of Indigenous people. His painting titles CLEARLY say "English and French Negroes" and "Jamaican Maroons" and "Black Caribs". How can you say you accept them as proof of indigenous people when he didn't say that ANY of them were indigenous people?

And Verranzo NEVER said that there were Negroes in the Carolinas. He said the people were russett, the shade of Saracens (Muslims). You got "black" from a translation of a mistranslation that only came out way later.



Sure thing bud. Those mongloids are the indigenous people because you say. The hundreds of pictures by different Europeans spanning different centuries depicting the natives as black? They're not legitimate. Why? Oh because "animals" and "bad drawings"

Yes, I'll believe the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of paintings and photos that show the Native Americans as non-Negro over your few dozen crap paintings, mostly by the same 3 guys who had never even been to America, that show them as Negros.

You're saying that 100% of the actual Black people forgot or lied about how they got to America.

You're saying that 100% of the actual Native Americans forgot or lied about how Black people got to America.

You're saying that 100% of photos showing that Native people weren't Negroes are somehow....I dunno, you still haven't explained that shyt.

You're saying that 100% of people who do DNA testing are fakes and liars.

You're saying that 100% of archaeological excavations which show no African skeletons and no African artifacts are fakes and liars.

You're saying that 99% of White people forgot or lied about how Black people got to America.


No, instead you believe the 1% most racist of the European cacs who had never even been to America but who were too ignorant to know the difference between a dark Indian and a Negro.


I already PROVED to you that your fukking 1874 source couldn't tell a Native American from a Negro.

What is your response? :mjlol:




Europe wasnt ruled over by blacks lol. Theres no point of having real discussions with people that just believe narratives and make excuses when their narratives dont fit anymore. So yea, Charles V, no matter the white washed photos, was drawn with color when it comes to the Incas:

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Your evidence that a fukking Dutch Emperor from the 1500s was Black is a tiny piece of a painting from the 1800s found on the other side of the world. :russ:

There are literally HUNDREDS of paintings of him from long before that that show him as White.

So go ahead, tell me....how did a guy born to a Dutch father come out Black, how did everyone make a giant conspiracy not to mention that in any writings or show it in any paintings for 300 years, and then how did some random two-bit painter in Peru magically find out the truth 300 years later, even though the guy we're talking about NEVER went to Peru?

:jbhmm:



Anyway, I'm done with you. You're clearly a troll who can't even make his own argument, just copy-and-pastes shyt from troll accounts on Pintrest. I'm only commenting to steer straight the youngins who might believe your self-hating bullshyt.

Some weak people will do anything to be a Hebrew or a Native American or a European or anything other than a proud African. :martin:
 
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Yes, I'll believe the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of paintings and photos

Every photo you've posted is from the last 100 years which is hardly proof of them being indigenous :mjlol:


Your evidence that a fukking Dutch Emperor from the 1500s was Black is a tiny piece of a painting from tS of paintings of him from long before that that show him as White.

Yea cac history 101. Egypt wasn't black. No black native Americans. Blacks never ruled over Europe. Cacs are the reason most/every black is in America and blah blah blah. It's established that blacks ruled over Europe whether you want to accept it or not. And once that became accepted, the slave trade narrative became null in void since cacs was getting hit upside the head for centuries under blacks. But they want us to believe that they came out of that and literally immediately subjugated blacks and went and populated two continents with them.

You run with narratives not with anything truthful and thats why you only have tired excuses when pictures/depictions don't match your narratives


I'm only commenting to steer straight the youngins who might believe your self-hating bullshyt.

Some weak people will do anything to be a Hebrew or a Native American or a European or anything other than a proud African. :martin:

Breh you going hard in here to defend cac narratives. Because it's cacs that say that blacks only come from Africa. It's cacs that pretend that they are the progenitor of blacks and that it's not the other way around. Intelligent minded young brehs are going to trust the depictions over your tired excuses. And deep down that bothers you

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Every photo you've posted is from the last 100 years which is hardly proof of them being indigenous e tired excuses when pictures/depictions don't match your narratives
:mjlol:


That's a fukking lie - I have posted ZERO photos from the last 100 years. Negged. :umad:


You posted a quote of a White man claiming what California Indians looked like in 1874. I posted pictures of California Indians from that EXACT YEAR. :camby:



Your ENTIRE argument is based off of the most ignorant 1% of White people quotes and White people paintings. You've posted a couple dumb quotes from White explorers that were immediately debunked, and a few dozen paintings from 3-4 European artists who had never been to America. That's your ENTIRE argument for Negroes being native to America.

My argument is based off of literally everyone else.


And on top of that, you've been caught in half-a-dozen lies already, including lying about where your pictures came from and what their own creators said they showed.

You're on ignore.
 

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You're on ignore.

:blessed: Thankfully, the truth cant be put on ignore

That means, Egypt was black, Europe was ruled by blacks, Israel was black, there were black Indians, and more...None of your rambling or even willful ignorance, will change that. But like I said you're here to defend the cac slave narrative at all costs and force blacks to only looking to Africa when they were in places like Asia, Europe, and America. Thankfully the readers can see the truth in this thread for themselves and see how you tap danced around depictions that proved your false narratives to be false...
 
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