Aaron Rodgers Is Already The GOAT. There Are No Arguments To Be Made Against It.

[onelastdeath]

Facts. Not a Pack fan, hate them MFs actually. But AROD is the best to ever do it.

 

[Jplaya2023]

The same mm that drafted him, coached him into the player he is today and believed in him. fukk outta here

MM has no killer instinct. watch the second half of last years seattle game.

Denver's Defense is impessive so far. props to yall

 

[FAH1223]

The same mm that drafted him, coached him into the player he is today and believed in him. fukk outta here

MM didn't draft him... remember, McCarthy was on the 49ers staff in 2005 that brought in Alex Smith.

Ted Thompson was the new GM in town in 2005 that took Rodgers.

Aaron rodgers won't be another SB as long as MM is coaching this team.

Pats win the SB this year and next

MM has a Super Bowl ring though. And he's not calling the plays. He's specifically focusing on the Challenges, Special Teams and the Defense on the sidelines.

 

[MF budz]

He might be. But he needs more rings. That's what truly great qb are measures by. Act like it's Peyton's fault he's has had 4 neck surgeries. And every qb has a system.

 

[Basaglia]

This is the first time I've ever witnessed aesthetics being cysed above actual achievement. Nyggas must REALLY hate Tom Brady, because now that Peyton is washed (in terms of being a SB threat, he can still pad his stats at a high level, of course), the movement to call Rodgers the GOAT is underway.

I thought #4 would end this. Maybe 6 will.

Prolly not tho.

 

[mastermind]

My thing with Rodgers, and as the original A Rod advocate I feel comfortable saying this, is that he doesn't have signature wins against elite defenses in the playoffs. That Steelers d was ok. He struggles against the same teams every other elite QB does and yet people act like there's an enormous gap between him and the next guy. There's not in the elite group..there is not. He is the most talented QB I have ever seen, but you cannot just prop him one guys with more impressive overall resumes just because he has the best stats in the most offensive-minded era in football history. Montana would tear up this league too. Rodgers cannot be put over those guys with one good playoff run on his resume.

you could say the same thing about Joe Montana. The Giants used to get in his ass.

and that Steelers defense that wasnt elite has 3 pro bowlers on it and allowed the fewest points in the NFL that season. (14.5 points a game)

This is a silly argument. Rodgers is better than Brady too.

This is the first time I've ever witnessed aesthetics being cysed above actual achievement. Nyggas must REALLY hate Tom Brady, because now that Peyton is washed (in terms of being a SB threat, he can't still pad his stats at a high level, as usual), the movement to call Rodgers the GOAT is underway.

I thought #4 would end this. Maybe 6 will.

Prolly not tho.

it aint aesthetics, Rodgers is playing QB at a level none of us has ever seen.

Tom been better than Peyton, so it aint that with me.

 

[Basaglia]

it aint aesthetics, Rodgers is playing QB at a level none of us has ever seen.

yeah, this one of the earliest debates we ever had on the podcast. i've seen montana, elway, peyton, tom...HELL, RANDALL CUNNINGHAM IN 1998 do it better.

 

[No1]

you could say the same thing about Joe Montana. The Giants used to get in his ass.

and that Steelers defense that wasnt elite has 3 pro bowlers on it and allowed the fewest points in the NFL that season. (14.5 points a game)

This is a silly argument. Rodgers is better than Brady too.


it aint aesthetics, Rodgers is playing QB at a level none of us has ever seen.

Tom been better than Peyton, so it aint that with me.

I know about that Steelers defense, it was not as good as those numbers. As far as level none of us have ever seen you at on your own with that. I was go in you the aesthetics benefit of the doubt. Because otherwise, Peyton Manning literally broke all the records two seasons ago. Your Joe argument does not grasp what I am saying. I am saying that for most of his career his play against elite teams is not significantly different than any other elite qb and against bad teams it is not much different. Of course a big performance against elite defenses matters unless you're starting with the assumption that he is miles ahead of everyone and I do not. There is nothing in history that says you should take Rodgers over Montana or Brady in a big game. Rodgers put up the same numbers as Brady against the AFC East beast defenses as Brady last year. Brady did the same thing Rodgers did to the bears, etc. Performance against common opponents does not bear out what you're saying. Rodgers obviously throws a better deep ball, is better on the run and is more elusive than Brady. No one is arguing talent. Production says that with equal weapons he does not give you more than brees, brady, or manning. He is betyer than all of them right now obviously.

 

[Frump]

yeah, this one of the earliest debates we ever had on the podcast. i've seen montana, elway, peyton, tom...HELL, RANDALL CUNNINGHAM IN 1998 do it better.

Nah I've never seen a qb with no weakness. His level of accuracy especially on the run or with guys in his face throwing off his backfoot is amazing.

The problem is when people feel the need to choose sides and take their guy they get defensive and feel the need to attack the other guy instead of enjoying a guy like Rodgers who is one of the best we've ever seen

 

[mastermind]

yeah, this one of the earliest debates we ever had on the podcast. i've seen montana, elway, peyton, tom...HELL, RANDALL CUNNINGHAM IN 1998 do it better.

thats a sice

Especially the Elway part

Rodgers has the best int% in NFL history and he doing it in cold ass Wisconsin. And he doing it behind a crap O-line and Eddy Lacy isnt an elite RB.

Cunningham had the GOAT WR corps in 1998 also.

What Rodgers is doing, no one has ever seen. Im confident in saying that and the numbers back it up.

like @Frump just said, Rodgers does NOTHING wrong.

I know about that Steelers defense, it was not as good as those numbers. As far as level none of us have ever seen you at on your own with that. I was go in you the aesthetics benefit of the doubt. Because otherwise, Peyton Manning literally broke all the records two seasons ago. Your Joe argument does not grasp what I am saying. I am saying that for most of his career his play against elite teams is not significantly different than any other elite qb and against bad teams it is not much different. Of course a big performance against elite defenses matters unless you're starting with the assumption that he is miles ahead of everyone and I do not. There is nothing in history that says you should take Rodgers over Montana or Brady in a big game. Rodgers put up the same numbers as Brady against the AFC East beast defenses as Brady last year. Brady did the same thing Rodgers did to the bears, etc. Performance against common opponents does not bear out what you're saying. Rodgers obviously throws a better deep ball, is better on the run and is more elusive than Brady. No one is arguing talent. Production says that with equal weapons he does not give you more than brees, brady, or manning. He is betyer than all of them right now obviously.

in a big game im going with Otto Graham.

The "big game" argument is bunk. Especially since Rodgers playoff numbers are pretty close to his regular season numbers.

 

[duckbutta]

Can't be the goat anything with 1 title...

Best in the biz right now...but overall...I don't even have him in the conversation with Montana and Brady...

I mean...is this guy going to win more titles than Eli Manning?

 

[Frump]

I know about that Steelers defense, it was not as good as those numbers. As far as level none of us have ever seen you at on your own with that. I was go in you the aesthetics benefit of the doubt. Because otherwise, Peyton Manning literally broke all the records two seasons ago. Your Joe argument does not grasp what I am saying. I am saying that for most of his career his play against elite teams is not significantly different than any other elite qb and against bad teams it is not much different. Of course a big performance against elite defenses matters unless you're starting with the assumption that he is miles ahead of everyone and I do not. There is nothing in history that says you should take Rodgers over Montana or Brady in a big game. Rodgers put up the same numbers as Brady against the AFC East beast defenses as Brady last year. Brady did the same thing Rodgers did to the bears, etc. Performance against common opponents does not bear out what you're saying. Rodgers obviously throws a better deep ball, is better on the run and is more elusive than Brady. No one is arguing talent. Production says that with equal weapons he does not give you more than brees, brady, or manning. He is betyer than all of them right now obviously.

You are acting like Brady was flawless in the playoffs when he went a decade without winning a Super Bowl and in some of those losses was not good.

I hate to do this shyt because Brady like Rodgers is top 5 all time but my point is none of these guys are without playoff blemishes.

 

[mastermind]

You are acting like Brady was flawless in the playoffs when he went a decade without winning a Super Bowl and in some of those losses was not good.

I hate to do this shyt because Brady like Rodgers is top 5 all time but my point is none of these guys are without playoff blemishes.

most QBs numbers go down considerably in the postseason too

 

[Frump]

most QBs numbers go down considerably in the postseason too

Yeah it makes sense you're playing mostly good teams and depending on where the game is it's probably real cold and not condusive to throwing.

 

[Frump]

Manning is so odd and hard to judge because Sunday to Sunday I've never seen a better more productive qb in the regular season.Hes the best regular season player I've ever seen but in the playoffs we know what happens.